Panasonic's consumer-grade 3D camcorder: HDC-SDT750 at DVinfo.net

John Benton · July 25th, 2010, 02:17 PM

Panasonic's consumer-grade 3D camcorder leaks out, the HDC-SDT750 -- Engadget

(Editor added)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/20200...html?tk=hp_blg

http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27...he-hdc-sdt750/
(/Editor)

Panasonic's consumer-grade 3D camcorder leaks out, the HDC-SDT750
By Sean Hollister posted Jul 25th 2010 1:04PM

We'd heard Panasonic was planning a more affordable stereoscopic 3D camcorder, but it looks like we won't have to wait until a mysterious July 28th Tokyo unveiling to find out for sure -- it's called the HDC-SDT750, and Panny's advertising it as the "World's first 3D Shooting Camcorder." Leaks at all the seams of the company's website afforded us the above picture, and the surprising revelation that the product may not be a brand-new camcorder, but rather an existing high-end 3MOS model (we'd guess the HDC-HS700) with a "3D conversion lens" attached. If the yet-to-be-activated product page's source code can be believed, the SDT750 will shoot in 1080p AVCHD at 60fps, feature Panny's proprietary Hybrid O.I.S. image stabilization technology, and come in a lovely shade of Henry Ford black. That's all we have for now (save a second tiny picture after the break) but rest assured we'll be keeping tabs on this one.

JB

Paul Cascio · July 25th, 2010, 03:01 PM

And a new generation begins.

Dan Brockett · July 25th, 2010, 03:30 PM

So I am waiting in line to shoot with a prototype AG-3DA1 and then this comes out? I can't keep up anymore, too many cameras, too quickly!

Dan Brockett

Tony Tibbetts · July 25th, 2010, 04:05 PM

Soooo... considering the 20K they charge for the AG-3DA1 (which seems to be a modified HMC150 with a 3D lens) this should cost around 6K?

Casey Krugman · July 26th, 2010, 09:34 AM

Considering that the 3D-A1 has 1/4 chips in it, is this camera going to have 1/8th chips in it?

Dan Passaro · July 26th, 2010, 09:45 AM

DIE 3D!
JUST DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

There is just something about this whole 3D thing that smells of desperation ..................

Ethan Cooper · July 26th, 2010, 10:01 AM

Dan - amen my brother, amen.

I'm gonna stomp my foot like a petulant child and refuse 3D for as long as I can. nnnnn-NO!

Zach Love · July 26th, 2010, 11:05 AM

I think of 3D the way I think of Stereo. Something that I want all of my speakers to have, but something I rarely (if ever) shoot in.

The only time I record stereo sound is through the on camera mic, which I don't really care about the audio. When I want good audio, 2 channels of mono is my workflow & has yet to ever cause any problems. I think most people would agree that 2 good mono mics will produce better sound than one crappy stereo mic.

Neil Vitale · July 26th, 2010, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Passaro

DIE 3D!
JUST DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

There is just something about this whole 3D thing that smells of desperation ..................

thank you for summing up my own feelings far better than I ever could ;o).......Almost like the hook the TV industry is hoping for in a recession. It might be a fun gimmick for a movie once in a while, but no way in hell would I want to watch it, or film it in my home...I mean, 3D Home movies of little billies birthday party? Give me a break...

Maybe they are thinking deeper though....3D porn could be interesting ;o)...joke!<G>

Casey Krugman · July 26th, 2010, 01:04 PM

Personally, I think the whole 3-d thing is currently being killed by Hollywood. You have all of these movies coming out that weren't shot on 3D, and yet being processed into 3D which is just making it look crappy. There are many that say that 3D is the wave of the future... if it is, why can't they stop shoving it down our throats and let it evolve naturally?

Also, I love how for the World Cup, they kept saying it was being broadcast in 3D... really? Did anyone watch it in 3D? Could anyone watch it in 3D?

That's like me saying, "Hey I just shot this movie at 100k... but I can only show it to you in Blu-ray. Perhaps you would like to watch on this bridge that I am prepared to sell you?"

It just reminds of a joke...

How many hipsters does it take to screw in a light-bulb?

What, you don't know?

Les Wilson · July 26th, 2010, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Vitale

thank you for summing up my own feelings far better than I ever could ;o).......Almost like the hook the TV industry is hoping for in a recession. It might be a fun gimmick for a movie once in a while, but no way in hell would I want to watch it, ...

hmm I just saw a documentary in 3d at the Chicago Field museum. I thoroughly enjoyed it for that genre. It struck me how, after all these years striving for shallow DOF, 3D turns that on it's head and uses the 3D effect itself to move the viewer' focus. I found it very compelling for the doc format.

Dan Brockett · July 26th, 2010, 05:28 PM

Are you in this business as a creative outlet or as a business to make money?

I hate to say it guys but how many of you are under 30? How many under 25? Judging by the demographics and stats on DV Info, most of us are way out of the demo that Hollywood and the Electronics manufacturers are aiming 3D at. Kids are playing 3D video games, going to the movies and paying to see big, expensive, stupid, mind-numbing features two and three times. Young adults will go to see 3D movies, they don't have a whole family, it is usually just them or them and date, so what do they care if the ticket costs $10.00 or $15.00? I know it is different when you have a huge herd of kids to pay for yourself, but think like a young single person. Demographically, most of us are dead to the studios and Madison Ave., they care about the 18-34s. They go where they think the biggest market is. Younger people seem to dig 3D. Most of the whining and complaining about 3D is coming from the over 40 geezer crowd.

As a consumer, I personally share most of your views about 3D. I saw Avatar in 3D. Meh, it didn't do much for me, I would have enjoyed the movie more in 2D. I think that there are several issues at play with 3D and with this camera though. I think that this particular camera is just something being thrown at the early adopter techno geeks who have bought a Panasonic 3D television. There is a dearth of 3D programming and Blu-rays available so why not give Joe Sixpack something that he can use to shoot Billy's Birthday party in 3D with. It's a smart marketing move. I will be really interested to get my hands on this camera, just to see what it can do and possibly compare it to the AG-3DA1.

As far as hating 3D though, think twice and take off your consumer hat and put on your producer hat. Much like HD in the early years, there is already a demand for 3D programming for all of these new 3D networks that are signing on this year. 3D commercials, even local 3D if they want to advertise on the 3D networks, 3D docs, 3D music videos, 3D travelogues, etc. What about 3D programming for your optometrist group client that does radial keratotamy surgery? See what I am getting at? 3D will be a viable market as a producer for at least a couple of years. Sure, 3D may crash and burn, but it may also become a huge success. We may not know for many years as to what the fate of 3D will be. And 3D, besides Hollywood $50 million dollars features, is a huge market.

Production, in general, is in slump, along with the rest of the economy. Not saying that 3D is going to explode but with the billions of dollars that Hollywood and the electronics conglomerates have thrown at this issue, 3D will not be going away really quickly, it will probably take years for the market to decide if it is flop or a success. With the billions of dollars the studios have spent and are spending, it is almost as if they will force 3D to become somewhat of a success. In the meantime, 3D is a way for all of us who take the time to learn how to work in the medium to make some money. I see a lot of opportunity in producing 3D programming.

I have already interviewed several producers for upcoming issues of HD Video Pro Magazine who are probably already busier than you or I are lately, creating 3D content and most importantly, making money at it. There is an audience for 3D programming and there are definitely clients who will pay for it. As to whether or not you want to stand on the sidelines poo-pooing it, or if you want to leap into the water and at least learn how to work in the medium, that is your choice. I know which way I am going to jump. As a hedge to the bet, I am definitely going to be renting all of the gear. Who knows how long it will last or if it will take off? But why not check it out and see what happens? It's not like there is anything else that is growing in our business. Web video is turning into a DIY affair, Indie films are glutted, corporate spending and production is down, television is hot but hyper competitive, why not consider 3D?

Between you and I, I don't have high hopes for the format succeeding, but it most definitely could succeed. Only time will tell for sure.

Dan Brockett

Dave Blackhurst · July 26th, 2010, 07:03 PM

I still think it's a "gimmick", until we have holo-rooms, but that's just me...

The one thing that may prove different this time is that 3D in the home is at least feasible, if not exactly a slam dunk due to the economy...

Lets say Panny brings this in under $2K, which wouldn't really shock me in the least, at least "street" price. They will sell, same as the Sony VG10, because the people who want the latest toy will see it's the most expensive thing on the consumer shelf, and buy it... because it's "the best", technology issues be durned.

Some ideas make good sense (hey, I was pulling for the "smell blaster" since we all respond to odors - that would add to the "being there" experience, right? I think someone forgot to invent the "sniff-o-mic" though...), but execution is another issue entirely. I sure don't remember there ever being the level of "hype" that is currently out there for 3D, and sometimes that will make enough noise that it actually is adopted.

John Benton · July 27th, 2010, 08:44 PM

The camera costs $1,399

James McBoyle · July 28th, 2010, 06:02 AM

One thing in the specs that jumped out was the 1080p60 frame rate. If this does 60 progressive frames a second it's a big step from cams only being able to do 60 interlaced frame a second at 1080. With that and the ability to remove the 3D lens adapter this looks to be a nice consumer camera even if 3D sinks out of sight for another decade or two.

July 25th, 2010, 02:17 PM	#1
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	Panasonic's consumer-grade 3D camcorder: HDC-SDT750 Panasonic's consumer-grade 3D camcorder leaks out, the HDC-SDT750 -- Engadget (Editor added) http://www.pcworld.com/article/20200...html?tk=hp_blg http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27...he-hdc-sdt750/ (/Editor) Panasonic's consumer-grade 3D camcorder leaks out, the HDC-SDT750 By Sean Hollister posted Jul 25th 2010 1:04PM We'd heard Panasonic was planning a more affordable stereoscopic 3D camcorder, but it looks like we won't have to wait until a mysterious July 28th Tokyo unveiling to find out for sure -- it's called the HDC-SDT750, and Panny's advertising it as the "World's first 3D Shooting Camcorder." Leaks at all the seams of the company's website afforded us the above picture, and the surprising revelation that the product may not be a brand-new camcorder, but rather an existing high-end 3MOS model (we'd guess the HDC-HS700) with a "3D conversion lens" attached. If the yet-to-be-activated product page's source code can be believed, the SDT750 will shoot in 1080p AVCHD at 60fps, feature Panny's proprietary Hybrid O.I.S. image stabilization technology, and come in a lovely shade of Henry Ford black. That's all we have for now (save a second tiny picture after the break) but rest assured we'll be keeping tabs on this one. JB

July 25th, 2010, 03:01 PM	#2
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	And a new generation begins. __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

July 26th, 2010, 09:34 AM	#5
Casey Krugman Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 135	Great... Considering that the 3D-A1 has 1/4 chips in it, is this camera going to have 1/8th chips in it?

July 26th, 2010, 10:01 AM	#7
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	Dan - amen my brother, amen. I'm gonna stomp my foot like a petulant child and refuse 3D for as long as I can. nnnnn-NO! __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

July 26th, 2010, 11:05 AM	#8
Zach Love Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 944	I think of 3D the way I think of Stereo. Something that I want all of my speakers to have, but something I rarely (if ever) shoot in. The only time I record stereo sound is through the on camera mic, which I don't really care about the audio. When I want good audio, 2 channels of mono is my workflow & has yet to ever cause any problems. I think most people would agree that 2 good mono mics will produce better sound than one crappy stereo mic. __________________ Nothing says you're a serious video maker like S-VHS

July 25th, 2010, 03:30 PM	#3
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	So I am waiting in line to shoot with a prototype AG-3DA1 and then this comes out? I can't keep up anymore, too many cameras, too quickly! Dan Brockett

July 25th, 2010, 04:05 PM	#4
Tony Tibbetts Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 385	Soooo... considering the 20K they charge for the AG-3DA1 (which seems to be a modified HMC150 with a 3D lens) this should cost around 6K?

July 26th, 2010, 09:45 AM	#6
Dan Passaro New Boot Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 21	DIE 3D! JUST DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! There is just something about this whole 3D thing that smells of desperation ..................

July 26th, 2010, 01:04 PM	#10
Casey Krugman Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 135	Personally, I think the whole 3-d thing is currently being killed by Hollywood. You have all of these movies coming out that weren't shot on 3D, and yet being processed into 3D which is just making it look crappy. There are many that say that 3D is the wave of the future... if it is, why can't they stop shoving it down our throats and let it evolve naturally? Also, I love how for the World Cup, they kept saying it was being broadcast in 3D... really? Did anyone watch it in 3D? Could anyone watch it in 3D? That's like me saying, "Hey I just shot this movie at 100k... but I can only show it to you in Blu-ray. Perhaps you would like to watch on this bridge that I am prepared to sell you?" It just reminds of a joke... How many hipsters does it take to screw in a light-bulb? What, you don't know?

July 26th, 2010, 05:28 PM	#12
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Are you in this business as a creative outlet or as a business to make money? I hate to say it guys but how many of you are under 30? How many under 25? Judging by the demographics and stats on DV Info, most of us are way out of the demo that Hollywood and the Electronics manufacturers are aiming 3D at. Kids are playing 3D video games, going to the movies and paying to see big, expensive, stupid, mind-numbing features two and three times. Young adults will go to see 3D movies, they don't have a whole family, it is usually just them or them and date, so what do they care if the ticket costs $10.00 or $15.00? I know it is different when you have a huge herd of kids to pay for yourself, but think like a young single person. Demographically, most of us are dead to the studios and Madison Ave., they care about the 18-34s. They go where they think the biggest market is. Younger people seem to dig 3D. Most of the whining and complaining about 3D is coming from the over 40 geezer crowd. As a consumer, I personally share most of your views about 3D. I saw Avatar in 3D. Meh, it didn't do much for me, I would have enjoyed the movie more in 2D. I think that there are several issues at play with 3D and with this camera though. I think that this particular camera is just something being thrown at the early adopter techno geeks who have bought a Panasonic 3D television. There is a dearth of 3D programming and Blu-rays available so why not give Joe Sixpack something that he can use to shoot Billy's Birthday party in 3D with. It's a smart marketing move. I will be really interested to get my hands on this camera, just to see what it can do and possibly compare it to the AG-3DA1. As far as hating 3D though, think twice and take off your consumer hat and put on your producer hat. Much like HD in the early years, there is already a demand for 3D programming for all of these new 3D networks that are signing on this year. 3D commercials, even local 3D if they want to advertise on the 3D networks, 3D docs, 3D music videos, 3D travelogues, etc. What about 3D programming for your optometrist group client that does radial keratotamy surgery? See what I am getting at? 3D will be a viable market as a producer for at least a couple of years. Sure, 3D may crash and burn, but it may also become a huge success. We may not know for many years as to what the fate of 3D will be. And 3D, besides Hollywood $50 million dollars features, is a huge market. Production, in general, is in slump, along with the rest of the economy. Not saying that 3D is going to explode but with the billions of dollars that Hollywood and the electronics conglomerates have thrown at this issue, 3D will not be going away really quickly, it will probably take years for the market to decide if it is flop or a success. With the billions of dollars the studios have spent and are spending, it is almost as if they will force 3D to become somewhat of a success. In the meantime, 3D is a way for all of us who take the time to learn how to work in the medium to make some money. I see a lot of opportunity in producing 3D programming. I have already interviewed several producers for upcoming issues of HD Video Pro Magazine who are probably already busier than you or I are lately, creating 3D content and most importantly, making money at it. There is an audience for 3D programming and there are definitely clients who will pay for it. As to whether or not you want to stand on the sidelines poo-pooing it, or if you want to leap into the water and at least learn how to work in the medium, that is your choice. I know which way I am going to jump. As a hedge to the bet, I am definitely going to be renting all of the gear. Who knows how long it will last or if it will take off? But why not check it out and see what happens? It's not like there is anything else that is growing in our business. Web video is turning into a DIY affair, Indie films are glutted, corporate spending and production is down, television is hot but hyper competitive, why not consider 3D? Between you and I, I don't have high hopes for the format succeeding, but it most definitely could succeed. Only time will tell for sure. Dan Brockett

July 26th, 2010, 07:03 PM	#13
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	I still think it's a "gimmick", until we have holo-rooms, but that's just me... The one thing that may prove different this time is that 3D in the home is at least feasible, if not exactly a slam dunk due to the economy... Lets say Panny brings this in under $2K, which wouldn't really shock me in the least, at least "street" price. They will sell, same as the Sony VG10, because the people who want the latest toy will see it's the most expensive thing on the consumer shelf, and buy it... because it's "the best", technology issues be durned. Some ideas make good sense (hey, I was pulling for the "smell blaster" since we all respond to odors - that would add to the "being there" experience, right? I think someone forgot to invent the "sniff-o-mic" though...), but execution is another issue entirely. I sure don't remember there ever being the level of "hype" that is currently out there for 3D, and sometimes that will make enough noise that it actually is adopted.

July 27th, 2010, 08:44 PM	#14
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	The camera costs $1,399

July 28th, 2010, 06:02 AM	#15
James McBoyle Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 87	One thing in the specs that jumped out was the 1080p60 frame rate. If this does 60 progressive frames a second it's a big step from cams only being able to do 60 interlaced frame a second at 1080. With that and the ability to remove the 3D lens adapter this looks to be a nice consumer camera even if 3D sinks out of sight for another decade or two.