new Sanyo camcorders and iMovie with iFrame at DVinfo.net

David Sholle · October 13th, 2009, 09:56 PM

Sanyo released new versions of previous camcorders, now known as the VPC-HD2000A and VPC-FH1A with iFrame technology and Apple just released a new version of iMovie today with iFrame technology. This will allow importing direct from the camcorder to the computer in a format that can be easily edited without transcoding. Previously the HD2000 was not even available in the US.

Currently when I import from my FH1 into iMovie, I can import at full 1920X1080 res, but it takes a lot of horsepower to edit these files. Another option is to transcode (takes time) to AIC (Apple Intermediate Codec) typically at 960X540, creating huge files but that are easy to edit. For YouTube, Vimeo, AppleTV work and many other not super high end work, this is a good option, and you can also store the original footage at full res for later editing as computers improve.

Reading between the lines, it appears that this iFrame technology is some sort of codec that is probably 960X540 but directly transfers to the computer and is easily edited.

The little Sanyo camcorders are reasonably priced, and are great as "vacation" camcorders. They don't have very good image stabilization, but if you can live with that limitation, they are a bargain. They both offer 1920X1080 60p (but not in the iFrame format).

Links:

SANYO :: News :: SANYO Dual Cameras are World?s First with iFrame Video Format

SANYO :: Dual Cameras :: VPC-FH1ABK Full 1080p HD Video and 8MP Digital Photos

SANYO :: Dual Cameras :: VPC-HD2000ABK Full 1080p HD Video and 8MP Digital Photos

iMovie update reveals new Apple video format | Apple - CNET News

Chris Hurd · October 13th, 2009, 10:00 PM

Much appreciated -- thanks for posting this, David!

Paulo Teixeira · October 13th, 2009, 10:31 PM

Although it’s still digital, I do wonder if the stabilizer is as bad as the previous versions. It could be better for all we know. That’s Sanyo’s biggest weakness and if they fix that then I can easily predict that Sony, Panasonic, Canon, and JVC will not be releasing camcorders with much higher prices for much longer.

I’ve always though that the previous camcorders have gotten a lot of unfair criticism just because of the stabilizer. It costs much less than the competition and with 1080 60p, you can make excellent slow motion sequences. I see that as a huge feature that easily gets overlooked. Never mind the fact that the lowlight capabilities of the HD2000 for example, allegedly rivals the competition.

Wacharapong Chiowanich · October 14th, 2009, 03:05 AM

Another serious weakness is the AF. It's very sensitive to changes in scene contrast and the subject's movement, very fickle. The transition is also not smooth. I suspect Sanyo simply utilized the AF algorithm for still photography and employed it in both the still and video modes. If the new cams can overcome these two weaknesses, there wouldn't be much of a reason to buy the Sonys, Canons or Panasonics at the current premiums.

Paul Cascio · November 14th, 2009, 07:50 AM

I've had both the HD2000 and the FH1 for several months (bought the Japanese version) and the image quality is just amazing. I use Cineform to transcode.

Steve Nunez · November 14th, 2009, 09:19 AM

I too agree the Sanyo HD 1010 to produce very sharp video- the biggest drawback has been loss of shadow detail as the camera seems to crush blacks a bit. If they improve the shadow detail and fix the weird blue/aqua cast on blue skies, the camera would be fantastic!
Ohh and in case you guys might have missed this- the new HD2000 now has a 16X optical zoom lens- which is fantastic in it's form factor!
I just wish they'd allow for the full 17mbps data rate at the 720p setting- which is fixed at 9mbps which is the same as the CG10.

October 13th, 2009, 09:56 PM	#1
David Sholle Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mammoth Lakes CA Posts: 125	new Sanyo camcorders and iMovie with iFrame Sanyo released new versions of previous camcorders, now known as the VPC-HD2000A and VPC-FH1A with iFrame technology and Apple just released a new version of iMovie today with iFrame technology. This will allow importing direct from the camcorder to the computer in a format that can be easily edited without transcoding. Previously the HD2000 was not even available in the US. Currently when I import from my FH1 into iMovie, I can import at full 1920X1080 res, but it takes a lot of horsepower to edit these files. Another option is to transcode (takes time) to AIC (Apple Intermediate Codec) typically at 960X540, creating huge files but that are easy to edit. For YouTube, Vimeo, AppleTV work and many other not super high end work, this is a good option, and you can also store the original footage at full res for later editing as computers improve. Reading between the lines, it appears that this iFrame technology is some sort of codec that is probably 960X540 but directly transfers to the computer and is easily edited. The little Sanyo camcorders are reasonably priced, and are great as "vacation" camcorders. They don't have very good image stabilization, but if you can live with that limitation, they are a bargain. They both offer 1920X1080 60p (but not in the iFrame format). Links: SANYO :: News :: SANYO Dual Cameras are World?s First with iFrame Video Format SANYO :: Dual Cameras :: VPC-FH1ABK Full 1080p HD Video and 8MP Digital Photos SANYO :: Dual Cameras :: VPC-HD2000ABK Full 1080p HD Video and 8MP Digital Photos iMovie update reveals new Apple video format \| Apple - CNET News

October 13th, 2009, 10:00 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Much appreciated -- thanks for posting this, David! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 13th, 2009, 10:31 PM	#3
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Although it’s still digital, I do wonder if the stabilizer is as bad as the previous versions. It could be better for all we know. That’s Sanyo’s biggest weakness and if they fix that then I can easily predict that Sony, Panasonic, Canon, and JVC will not be releasing camcorders with much higher prices for much longer. I’ve always though that the previous camcorders have gotten a lot of unfair criticism just because of the stabilizer. It costs much less than the competition and with 1080 60p, you can make excellent slow motion sequences. I see that as a huge feature that easily gets overlooked. Never mind the fact that the lowlight capabilities of the HD2000 for example, allegedly rivals the competition. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

November 14th, 2009, 07:50 AM	#5
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	I've had both the HD2000 and the FH1 for several months (bought the Japanese version) and the image quality is just amazing. I use Cineform to transcode. __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

November 14th, 2009, 09:19 AM	#6
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	I too agree the Sanyo HD 1010 to produce very sharp video- the biggest drawback has been loss of shadow detail as the camera seems to crush blacks a bit. If they improve the shadow detail and fix the weird blue/aqua cast on blue skies, the camera would be fantastic! Ohh and in case you guys might have missed this- the new HD2000 now has a 16X optical zoom lens- which is fantastic in it's form factor! I just wish they'd allow for the full 17mbps data rate at the 720p setting- which is fixed at 9mbps which is the same as the CG10. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

October 14th, 2009, 03:05 AM	#4
Wacharapong Chiowanich Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 400	Another serious weakness is the AF. It's very sensitive to changes in scene contrast and the subject's movement, very fickle. The transition is also not smooth. I suspect Sanyo simply utilized the AF algorithm for still photography and employed it in both the still and video modes. If the new cams can overcome these two weaknesses, there wouldn't be much of a reason to buy the Sonys, Canons or Panasonics at the current premiums.