Looks official, Apple going with Intel

Duane Smith · June 10th, 2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Carney

I've heard BSD is a pretty stable and secure OS. (Yes campers, Mac OS is based on BSD, not Unix or Linux).

Wow....how many more half-truths can we stuff into these recent Mac/Intel threads? LOL!

Yes, Mac OS X is definately BSD...but you're wrong in saying that it's not UNIX; BSD is one of the two major flavors of UNIX (AT&T and BSD). Yes, BSD not the holder of the intellectual property rights of the original implementation of UNIX, but it's a totally legal open-source derivative of what AT&T UNIX was in the late 1970's. In fact the modern AT&T UNIX SVR4 (and +)--put together in the late 1980's--contains huge chunks of BSD (since it was open source, and they could take it). Heck, there's not a modern networking computing device on the planet that doesn't contain some sort of a derivative of BSD UNIX, namely TCP/IP.

ATT and BSD are both are accepted as "real" UNIX, both have been sold commercially as "real" UNIX, and both have been supported commercially as "real" UNIX. Geesh, initially the two kernals shared around 80% of the same code base!

Linux, on the other hand, is a "UNIX-like" clone, and is built around a completely different kernal that shares 0% of the code base. Linux looks like UNIX, it quacts like UNIX, and it waddles like UNIX...but Linux ain't UNIX.

The only way you can say that BSD isn't UNIX is to split hairs at a microscopic level and talk about the original intellectual property rights war that's been going on for years. Don't believe SCO's legal propaganda....no matter what the lawyers want to fight about, they can't change 30 years of history.

Boyd Ostroff · June 10th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Ah yes that brings back some memories... I first learned unix on DEC VAX systems running BSD in the mid eighties, and I learned all about System V on my AT&T 3B/1 "unix pc" which ran on a Motorola 68010 :-) I always liked the BSD implementation better.

Here's another AP story on the transition:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050610/apple_chips.html?.v=2

Interesting thing here is that Apple can use Intel's "Lagrande" technology to insure that OS X will only run on their own hardware:

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"You can tie the serial number of the software with the hardware ID, and say these things go together and shall never be separate," said Roger Kay, an analyst at IDC.

Eric Hess · June 10th, 2005, 09:45 PM

When the process is all said in done we will see which OS has better optimization!

Joe Carney · June 11th, 2005, 08:35 PM

It uses Unix command structure, but is not official System V Unix (the one supposedly owned by SCO). They all share command structure, and it's easy to recompile Linux to BSD. But I think the BSD folks would take exception, they think Unix came from them, hehehe.

Duane Smith · June 12th, 2005, 07:52 PM

So just like I guessed, you're splitting hairs over legal ownership issues. :-)

Brian Alves · June 13th, 2005, 09:46 AM

I think this is a good thing--- digging deeper reveals many positives.

Speaking with Mike Curtis over at hdforindies.com helped too:

Listen to June 12th's podcast:
http://www.thedvshow.com

Greg Harris · June 13th, 2005, 10:19 AM

do you guys think the G5 power books will be out before they put the intel chip in mac a year from now? Or will they wait a year and some until they release it?

Eric Emerick · June 13th, 2005, 12:34 PM

There is not now, nor will there ever be, a G5 Powerbook from Apple. This is one of the many reasons that Apple is leaving IBM's PPC and moving to Intel, imo. The Motorola PPC's in the PB's may have room for a speed bump, or some think a dual core type configuration.

Boyd Ostroff · June 16th, 2005, 08:05 AM

Interesting article at fortune.com:

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fastf...?promoid=yahoo

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"If Apple decides to open the Mac OS to others, we would be happy to offer it to our customers," Dell wrote in an email.

Peter Ferling · June 16th, 2005, 09:36 AM

Despite my experiences, of all the PC's I've worked with, Dells are solid performers in the hardware end of things. My latest Dell 650 has some quirks, and the processors run too hot. However, service and support are excellent, and I've gotton parts next day.

I can attest that much of my woes are OS and software, and all the extra hardware I've crammed into them (a side-effect of do it yourself windows. Easily cured by getting a preconfigured system). I have an old 420 and even some GX1s from the windows 95 days that still boot and run.

I think a Mac OSX would be a good fit on a Dell, and I think Dell would provide excellent qualified solutions. Such a marriage, in my opinion, would create a very stable system, on stable hardware. If Jobs were to get out of the hardware bizz, then Dell could easily take on that responsibility.

On the AMD side of things, BOXX tech seems to be the hardware winner. (Which what I'm looking into now). As the article suggests, AMD is also wanting to partner with Dell, and they currently have the fasted Processor. Hmmmm.

Boyd Ostroff · June 17th, 2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Carney

I think the BSD folks would take exception, they think Unix came from them, hehehe.

This is an interesting article about Theo de Raadt who authored Open BSD, where he trashes Linux.

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BSD guys make fun of Linux on message boards and Web sites, the gist being that BSD guys are a lot like Linux guys, except they have kissed girls

http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinf..._0616theo.html

June 10th, 2005, 09:45 PM	#48
Eric Hess New Boot Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 11	Which has better optimization? When the process is all said in done we will see which OS has better optimization!

June 13th, 2005, 12:34 PM	#53
Eric Emerick Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 171	There is not now, nor will there ever be, a G5 Powerbook from Apple. This is one of the many reasons that Apple is leaving IBM's PPC and moving to Intel, imo. The Motorola PPC's in the PB's may have room for a speed bump, or some think a dual core type configuration. __________________ esquared

June 11th, 2005, 08:35 PM	#49
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	It uses Unix command structure, but is not official System V Unix (the one supposedly owned by SCO). They all share command structure, and it's easy to recompile Linux to BSD. But I think the BSD folks would take exception, they think Unix came from them, hehehe.

June 12th, 2005, 07:52 PM	#50
Duane Smith Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 234	So just like I guessed, you're splitting hairs over legal ownership issues. :-)

June 13th, 2005, 09:46 AM	#51
Brian Alves The DV Show Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 14	I think this is a good thing--- digging deeper reveals many positives. Speaking with Mike Curtis over at hdforindies.com helped too: Listen to June 12th's podcast: http://www.thedvshow.com

June 13th, 2005, 10:19 AM	#52
Greg Harris Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 356	do you guys think the G5 power books will be out before they put the intel chip in mac a year from now? Or will they wait a year and some until they release it?

June 16th, 2005, 09:36 AM	#55
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	Despite my experiences, of all the PC's I've worked with, Dells are solid performers in the hardware end of things. My latest Dell 650 has some quirks, and the processors run too hot. However, service and support are excellent, and I've gotton parts next day. I can attest that much of my woes are OS and software, and all the extra hardware I've crammed into them (a side-effect of do it yourself windows. Easily cured by getting a preconfigured system). I have an old 420 and even some GX1s from the windows 95 days that still boot and run. I think a Mac OSX would be a good fit on a Dell, and I think Dell would provide excellent qualified solutions. Such a marriage, in my opinion, would create a very stable system, on stable hardware. If Jobs were to get out of the hardware bizz, then Dell could easily take on that responsibility. On the AMD side of things, BOXX tech seems to be the hardware winner. (Which what I'm looking into now). As the article suggests, AMD is also wanting to partner with Dell, and they currently have the fasted Processor. Hmmmm.