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Glenn Gipson · April 8th, 2005, 08:20 PM

http://www.newsfactor.com/internetli...y=internetlife

Boyd Ostroff · April 8th, 2005, 09:06 PM

Sounds good... bring it on. I have Comcast internet and it's generally been very good. But yesterday we had about a 6 hour outage. I finally gave up trying to contact customer service after getting a busy signal 7 or 8 times... it was obvious that I wasn't the only one having a problem...

Emre Safak · April 9th, 2005, 05:41 PM

We know they have the means, but where is the will? They are going to give us as little as they can. I would switch to Verizon FIOS if it were locally available.

Michael OKeefe · April 9th, 2005, 07:21 PM

same here: shame it's only in florida and california (or something like that).

Harrison Murchison · April 11th, 2005, 10:12 AM

I'm doubting that they hit a %1000 percent. Maybe 500 percent but I'd take either.

Christopher C. Murphy · April 11th, 2005, 10:31 AM

Even 100% increase would be unbelieveable! I get 3.5 megs downloads sometimes....7 megs would be awesome and just about enough to stream DVD movies.

James Emory · April 12th, 2005, 08:46 PM

There is a technology currently being used by colleges called Internet 2. Apparently it was developed by Georgia Tech in Atlanta but is used across universities to move huge amounts of data. I just saw a local news story on Tech students being in trouble for apparently using it to download media, songs, etc., illegally. It was said that this technology allows the ability to download a DVD movie at DVD quality in about 30 seconds. Uhhh, that changes everything.

Andriy Zolotoiy · April 13th, 2005, 12:44 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Christopher C. Murphy : ... just about enough to stream DVD movies. -->>>

At that time you'll need to stream HD-DVD movies, so it's still gonna take same or more time :)

A. J. deLange · April 15th, 2005, 01:57 PM

RE FIOS: Check their user agreement. It bars the hosting of "servers" of any kind. That means no web servers, rtsp servers, VNC servers..... What good is the uplink bandwidh if you can't use it?

But then they give you a free website on their servers. A whopping 10 Mbyte. How many seconds of video is that?

Boyd Ostroff · April 15th, 2005, 03:00 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by A. J. deLange : What good is the uplink bandwidh if you can't use it? -->>>

Seems like a better question would be "What good is the uplink bandwidth if it's being hogged by a bunch of streaming video servers" ;-)

A. J. deLange · April 16th, 2005, 09:58 AM

That certainly would be their point of view: "We must protect our resources". Mine is that if they are going to take your money based on an offer of 2 mbps uplink then your use of 2 mbps up isn't hogging - it's using what you have paid for. Dangling 2 mbps in front of the consumer - most of whom are scarcely sophisticated enough about networking to understand - and then disallowing use of it is, IMO, deceptive advertizing.

The cable suppliers generally have the same language in their user agreements, BTW. The means that they use to prevent hosting of servers are easily and widely surmounted so it's really a question of whether or not they decide to enforce this provision of the agreement. Problem is that they can pull the rug out from under you at will at any time they want and you have agreed to it. Remember that "servers" do lots of things. If you use Fugu or FTP to get a file off your machine at home onto your machine at work you are using a server. If you have a web cam or security cam at home that you check from time to time while away you are using a server. If you VNC or Telnet or SSH into you machine for any purpose at any time you are using servers on your machine.

Emre Safak · April 16th, 2005, 11:19 AM

It is not entirely deceptive...all ISPs have a "reasonable use" clause, meaning you are entitled to transfer a certain (not necessarily fixed) amount of traffic. Beyond that, your connection may be cut or throttled. This is done so the small fraction of users who use the most bandwidth do not effectively steal the bandwidth (which is a pooled resource, after all) from the other users.

A. J. deLange · April 16th, 2005, 03:56 PM

If it said that the uplink bandwidth was 2mbps and that for my $39.95 a month I could transfer so many gbit after which I would be charged so much more per gbit I would be fine with that but it doesn't. It says no servers of any kind.

Just thought of another kind of server: rtp - the basis for VOIP. How do we suppose Verizon feels about VOIP?

Christopher C. Murphy · October 11th, 2005, 05:53 AM

Just an update to this thread...I've been getting over 6 megs a second on Comcast for a while now.

I'm able to stream Apple's HD trailers in real time!

A. J. deLange · October 11th, 2005, 06:16 AM

And an update from northern Va.: Verizon installed FIOS in my neighborhood. The response of the cable company (Cox) was to mail everyone a new cable modem and upgrade service to 5 mbps down, 2 mbps up for the same price. And they deliver these rates. So despite my all my whining FIOS did turn out to be a great benefit to me!

April 8th, 2005, 08:20 PM	#1
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April 11th, 2005, 10:31 AM	#6
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Even 100% increase would be unbelieveable! I get 3.5 megs downloads sometimes....7 megs would be awesome and just about enough to stream DVD movies. __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

April 12th, 2005, 08:46 PM	#7
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Introducing Internet 2 - the next generation internet There is a technology currently being used by colleges called Internet 2. Apparently it was developed by Georgia Tech in Atlanta but is used across universities to move huge amounts of data. I just saw a local news story on Tech students being in trouble for apparently using it to download media, songs, etc., illegally. It was said that this technology allows the ability to download a DVD movie at DVD quality in about 30 seconds. Uhhh, that changes everything.

October 11th, 2005, 05:53 AM	#14
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Just an update to this thread...I've been getting over 6 megs a second on Comcast for a while now. I'm able to stream Apple's HD trailers in real time! __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

April 8th, 2005, 09:06 PM	#2
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Sounds good... bring it on. I have Comcast internet and it's generally been very good. But yesterday we had about a 6 hour outage. I finally gave up trying to contact customer service after getting a busy signal 7 or 8 times... it was obvious that I wasn't the only one having a problem...

April 9th, 2005, 05:41 PM	#3
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	We know they have the means, but where is the will? They are going to give us as little as they can. I would switch to Verizon FIOS if it were locally available.

April 9th, 2005, 07:21 PM	#4
Michael OKeefe Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hudson, NH Posts: 53	same here: shame it's only in florida and california (or something like that).

April 11th, 2005, 10:12 AM	#5
Harrison Murchison Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 243	I'm doubting that they hit a %1000 percent. Maybe 500 percent but I'd take either.

April 13th, 2005, 12:44 PM	#8
Andriy Zolotoiy New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario, CA Posts: 19	<<<-- Originally posted by Christopher C. Murphy : ... just about enough to stream DVD movies. -->>> At that time you'll need to stream HD-DVD movies, so it's still gonna take same or more time :)

April 15th, 2005, 01:57 PM	#9
A. J. deLange Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: McLean, VA United States Posts: 749	RE FIOS: Check their user agreement. It bars the hosting of "servers" of any kind. That means no web servers, rtsp servers, VNC servers..... What good is the uplink bandwidh if you can't use it? But then they give you a free website on their servers. A whopping 10 Mbyte. How many seconds of video is that?

April 15th, 2005, 03:00 PM	#10
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	<<<-- Originally posted by A. J. deLange : What good is the uplink bandwidh if you can't use it? -->>> Seems like a better question would be "What good is the uplink bandwidth if it's being hogged by a bunch of streaming video servers" ;-)

April 16th, 2005, 09:58 AM	#11
A. J. deLange Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: McLean, VA United States Posts: 749	That certainly would be their point of view: "We must protect our resources". Mine is that if they are going to take your money based on an offer of 2 mbps uplink then your use of 2 mbps up isn't hogging - it's using what you have paid for. Dangling 2 mbps in front of the consumer - most of whom are scarcely sophisticated enough about networking to understand - and then disallowing use of it is, IMO, deceptive advertizing. The cable suppliers generally have the same language in their user agreements, BTW. The means that they use to prevent hosting of servers are easily and widely surmounted so it's really a question of whether or not they decide to enforce this provision of the agreement. Problem is that they can pull the rug out from under you at will at any time they want and you have agreed to it. Remember that "servers" do lots of things. If you use Fugu or FTP to get a file off your machine at home onto your machine at work you are using a server. If you have a web cam or security cam at home that you check from time to time while away you are using a server. If you VNC or Telnet or SSH into you machine for any purpose at any time you are using servers on your machine.

April 16th, 2005, 11:19 AM	#12
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	It is not entirely deceptive...all ISPs have a "reasonable use" clause, meaning you are entitled to transfer a certain (not necessarily fixed) amount of traffic. Beyond that, your connection may be cut or throttled. This is done so the small fraction of users who use the most bandwidth do not effectively steal the bandwidth (which is a pooled resource, after all) from the other users.

April 16th, 2005, 03:56 PM	#13
A. J. deLange Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: McLean, VA United States Posts: 749	If it said that the uplink bandwidth was 2mbps and that for my $39.95 a month I could transfer so many gbit after which I would be charged so much more per gbit I would be fine with that but it doesn't. It says no servers of any kind. Just thought of another kind of server: rtp - the basis for VOIP. How do we suppose Verizon feels about VOIP?

October 11th, 2005, 06:16 AM	#15
A. J. deLange Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: McLean, VA United States Posts: 749	And an update from northern Va.: Verizon installed FIOS in my neighborhood. The response of the cable company (Cox) was to mail everyone a new cable modem and upgrade service to 5 mbps down, 2 mbps up for the same price. And they deliver these rates. So despite my all my whining FIOS did turn out to be a great benefit to me!