DV Expo East

Jesse Bekas · July 14th, 2004, 11:00 PM

I went to the EXPO today. It was pretty cool. I got to play with the freshly announced XL2. Gorgeous cam. Footage from the cam was fantastic, and had yet to be color corrected. Also learned some valuable time saving techniques for Premiere Pro, and After Effects.

Greg Harris · July 15th, 2004, 06:07 AM

really, like what kind of techniques? Also did sony have their HD cam their, or did you ask Sony when it should be released?
thanks

Jesse Bekas · July 15th, 2004, 02:01 PM

The Premiere techniques were mostly little time savers, like holding CTRL when doing moves on the timeline to extract clips and reposition them while allowing them to all snap together instead of getting muddled together, using the preview monitor window to work through each individual edit, and being able to scrub each clip together to see if there is a better spot to make a cut, using the keyboard more, and then color correction tips, like how to use 3 point more efficiently.

I spent almost all day at Panasonic, Canon, and Adobe. I meant to go to Sony today, but I got called in to work. I'll probably go tomorrow. It was my first EXPO and I got so dazzled by the XL2, that I nearly forgot about everything else.

What was interesting at the Pana booth, was that one of the reps told me they plan to have a working Palmcorder size model camcorder next April with solid state recording using a single PCMCIA card, that is housing four 4GB SD cards. I don't know how they can make that affordable, but I can't wait. (and he definitely wasn't talking about something bigger like the DVX100 because he pointed to the PV-DV851 I was holding when he said it)

Jesse Bekas · July 16th, 2004, 08:03 PM

Wow. Nobody wants to chime in on Pana saying that they're bringing solid state to the Palmcorder line using DV25 AVI codec (non-MPEG4)? I feel like that is a very big deal, and hope somebody else does too...any takers?

Robert Mann Z. · July 16th, 2004, 08:22 PM

great for shooting 5 minute clips, whats it going to cost me to shoot a few hours?

pana needs to make 12 gig memory cards for $3.75 then i will be excited, otherwise its just a novelty

Jesse Bekas · July 16th, 2004, 08:29 PM

As I stated in my earlier post, it would be using a 16GB PCMCIA card made up of four 4GB SD cards. Seems like they will find an affordable way to do it, otherwise, there is no reason to put that system in a prosumer model.

Robert Mann Z. · July 16th, 2004, 11:33 PM

from
http://www.dvformat.com/2003/05_may/features/cw_english_panasonic24.htm

DMN: Give us an idea, then, the four-gig card, how much will that cost? You're saying they come with the camera, but what if we wanted to buy, say, four more?

English: Honestly, it's a tricky answer to give you right now, because the one-gigabyte chips aren't even on the market.

DMN: So you don't know.

English: Prices fall constantly, so the pricing of that is really going to be known towards the end of the year. But it's certainly going to be several hundred dollars. Certainly, there's no question it's several hundred dollars -- it's not $20, it's not $1000, it's two, three four hundred, something in that region.

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again unless the cards will cost around the 5-4 dollar mark count me out, good idea bad market timing

Chris Hurd · July 17th, 2004, 12:09 AM

How can Stuart English be expected to predict pricing for a product whose market is constantly in flux. That's a bad interviewer.

Robert Mann Z. · July 17th, 2004, 12:34 AM

chris you have a point, but one thing you can predict is 12 gigs won't be had for less then 10 bucks in 2005

Greg Harris · July 19th, 2004, 11:29 AM

OK- lets get down to the GOOD STUFF. Like did anyone go to the SONY booth and find out when my beautiful HD cam is coming out. If so did they have any pictures there, and will it have 24p!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark Kubat · July 19th, 2004, 09:26 PM

Hi, just wondering if Sony at DV Expo east had 3-chip HDV prototype on display again???

thanks

any comments from sony reps at the show re: this new cam?

thanks again!

Jesse Bekas · July 21st, 2004, 09:46 AM

I wanted to check out what was up with the Sony HDV cam and see some of the Vegas 5, and Soundforge/Acid tutorials as well, but I had to work on Thursday and Friday. I never made it to the Sony booth at all. Sorry guys. I'm sure somebody else must have though, right?

July 17th, 2004, 12:09 AM	#23
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	How can Stuart English be expected to predict pricing for a product whose market is constantly in flux. That's a bad interviewer. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 19th, 2004, 09:26 PM	#26
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	did sony have 3 chip hdv on hand again? Hi, just wondering if Sony at DV Expo east had 3-chip HDV prototype on display again??? thanks any comments from sony reps at the show re: this new cam? thanks again!

July 14th, 2004, 11:00 PM	#16
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	I went to the EXPO today. It was pretty cool. I got to play with the freshly announced XL2. Gorgeous cam. Footage from the cam was fantastic, and had yet to be color corrected. Also learned some valuable time saving techniques for Premiere Pro, and After Effects.

July 15th, 2004, 06:07 AM	#17
Greg Harris Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 356	really, like what kind of techniques? Also did sony have their HD cam their, or did you ask Sony when it should be released? thanks

July 15th, 2004, 02:01 PM	#18
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	The Premiere techniques were mostly little time savers, like holding CTRL when doing moves on the timeline to extract clips and reposition them while allowing them to all snap together instead of getting muddled together, using the preview monitor window to work through each individual edit, and being able to scrub each clip together to see if there is a better spot to make a cut, using the keyboard more, and then color correction tips, like how to use 3 point more efficiently. I spent almost all day at Panasonic, Canon, and Adobe. I meant to go to Sony today, but I got called in to work. I'll probably go tomorrow. It was my first EXPO and I got so dazzled by the XL2, that I nearly forgot about everything else. What was interesting at the Pana booth, was that one of the reps told me they plan to have a working Palmcorder size model camcorder next April with solid state recording using a single PCMCIA card, that is housing four 4GB SD cards. I don't know how they can make that affordable, but I can't wait. (and he definitely wasn't talking about something bigger like the DVX100 because he pointed to the PV-DV851 I was holding when he said it)

July 16th, 2004, 08:03 PM	#19
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Wow. Nobody wants to chime in on Pana saying that they're bringing solid state to the Palmcorder line using DV25 AVI codec (non-MPEG4)? I feel like that is a very big deal, and hope somebody else does too...any takers?

July 16th, 2004, 08:22 PM	#20
Robert Mann Z. Skyonic New York Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 614	great for shooting 5 minute clips, whats it going to cost me to shoot a few hours? pana needs to make 12 gig memory cards for $3.75 then i will be excited, otherwise its just a novelty

July 16th, 2004, 08:29 PM	#21
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	As I stated in my earlier post, it would be using a 16GB PCMCIA card made up of four 4GB SD cards. Seems like they will find an affordable way to do it, otherwise, there is no reason to put that system in a prosumer model.

July 16th, 2004, 11:33 PM	#22
Robert Mann Z. Skyonic New York Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 614	from http://www.dvformat.com/2003/05_may/features/cw_english_panasonic24.htm DMN: Give us an idea, then, the four-gig card, how much will that cost? You're saying they come with the camera, but what if we wanted to buy, say, four more? English: Honestly, it's a tricky answer to give you right now, because the one-gigabyte chips aren't even on the market. DMN: So you don't know. English: Prices fall constantly, so the pricing of that is really going to be known towards the end of the year. But it's certainly going to be several hundred dollars. Certainly, there's no question it's several hundred dollars -- it's not $20, it's not $1000, it's two, three four hundred, something in that region. *************************************** again unless the cards will cost around the 5-4 dollar mark count me out, good idea bad market timing

July 17th, 2004, 12:34 AM	#24
Robert Mann Z. Skyonic New York Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 614	chris you have a point, but one thing you can predict is 12 gigs won't be had for less then 10 bucks in 2005

July 19th, 2004, 11:29 AM	#25
Greg Harris Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 356	OK- lets get down to the GOOD STUFF. Like did anyone go to the SONY booth and find out when my beautiful HD cam is coming out. If so did they have any pictures there, and will it have 24p!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

July 21st, 2004, 09:46 AM	#27
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	I wanted to check out what was up with the Sony HDV cam and see some of the Vegas 5, and Soundforge/Acid tutorials as well, but I had to work on Thursday and Friday. I never made it to the Sony booth at all. Sorry guys. I'm sure somebody else must have though, right?