2 new Panasonic cams with 3x CMOS at DVinfo.net

Hans Ledel · June 18th, 2008, 06:09 AM

Have a look here

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=869998

John Palaganas · June 18th, 2008, 07:45 AM

Even though its 3 chip CMOS its 1/6-inch! Isn't too petite? VS the HV30/20

Paulo Teixeira · June 18th, 2008, 10:14 AM

Press release:
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=869998

Watch.Impress article.
Original Japanese:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...80618/pana.htm
English Translated:
http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/trans...618%2Fpana.htm

Its about time Panasonic decided to release small HD camcorders that aren’t gimped.
Now how about a replacement to the HSC-1U?

Ethan Cooper · June 18th, 2008, 11:28 AM

I was about to moan about the 1/6 chips too, but come on, these things cost a grand.

Seems to me that these little cameras are being announced or released every other month by someone. Isn't that segment of the market getting a little crowded and confusing to navigate?

Dave Blackhurst · June 18th, 2008, 01:31 PM

Hmmm, those look promising, VF, manual control, a real ring... will be interesting to see if they deliver. Lots of good sounding specs and supposed improvements, will be worht watching!

All the new releases are trying to find where the market for HD camcorders is... SD is probably dead in the consumer space, but I'd suspect they still don't know what will sell, so they throw stuff out and see if it sticks, if it doesn't, Panasonic in particular kills the product almost before it hits the shelves...

When the market figures out what it wants in an HD camcorder, maybe some of the competition will shake out.

Jon Fairhurst · June 18th, 2008, 02:51 PM

Yay! A mic input!

Recent Panasonic HD cams left off this feature, making the cameras impractical for low-budget lo-pro-sumer work. With audio in, the multi-ring, zebras and histogram, these could be viable for many DVI-ers.

One subtle thing I'll be curious to know: how many facets are in the iris? We own a GS500, and it has four. That makes lens flare effects square, which is far from artistic! It's not a litmus-test feature (we only clued in recently), but five or more facets would be nice.

If the image is on par with the HV20/30, these cams will be the new consumer champs, simply because of the ring and likely better usability, compared to the HV20/30 menus and focus roller.

Paulo Teixeira · June 18th, 2008, 05:57 PM

Here you’ll find several pages worth of information about these 2 camcorders. Just keep hitting NEXT at the bottom of each page.

Original Japanese
http://panasonic.jp/dvc/sd100/index.html

English Translated
http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ja&tl=en

Please post if you find an English version.

Steve Mullen · June 19th, 2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira

Here you’ll find several pages worth of information about these 2 camcorders. Just keep hitting NEXT at the bottom of each page.

Thank you Paul.

The marketing looks as good as what JVC did for their HD7. :)

Granted the CMOS chips only have 500K photosites -- it's still hard to believe it can meet Japanese LUX specs at 1/60th of 4 lux, without: Either lots of noise or lots of DSP to remove noise yielding chroma reduction and/or resolution loss. This is a particular worry up against EXMOR.

With Bayer pattern offering about 1MP per color vs 1/2MP -- the rez. ain't gonna match Sony or Canon.

Less rez. and more noise -- but "pro" like features. Who is this market too?

Sean Seah · June 19th, 2008, 11:35 PM

i wish they made a solid state HDV cam one day!

Lawrence Bansbach · June 20th, 2008, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Seah

i wish they made a solid state HDV cam one day!

Technically, that wouldn't be possible, because by definition, HDV is tape based.

Jacob Mason · June 20th, 2008, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrence Bansbach

Technically, that wouldn't be possible, because by definition, HDV is tape based.

The Sony Z7U is HDV and it has the option to record to compact flash cards.

Robert M Wright · June 21st, 2008, 10:49 AM

The EX1 can essentially record HDV on SxS cards.

Greg Boston · June 21st, 2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Mason

The Sony Z7U is HDV and it has the option to record to compact flash cards.

Key word being 'option'. Any camera carrying the official HDV logo must have either a mini-dv or full sized dv tape cassette transport.

-gb-

Chris Hurd · June 21st, 2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert M Wright

The EX1 can essentially record HDV on SxS cards.

It may be the same image size and bit rate, but it ain't HDV.

Ken Hodson · June 25th, 2008, 08:35 PM

Anyone have a list of supported frame rates(p or i)? From the links all I could find was shoots at 24fps, or a 3 sec 72 frame burst (still 24fps).

June 18th, 2008, 06:09 AM	#1
Hans Ledel Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 184	2 new Panasonic cams with 3x CMOS Have a look here http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=869998 __________________ Remember, that English is my second language.

June 18th, 2008, 10:14 AM	#3
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Press release: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=869998 Watch.Impress article. Original Japanese: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...80618/pana.htm English Translated: http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/trans...618%2Fpana.htm Its about time Panasonic decided to release small HD camcorders that aren’t gimped. Now how about a replacement to the HSC-1U? __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

June 18th, 2008, 11:28 AM	#4
Ethan Cooper Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 1,400 Images: 5	I was about to moan about the 1/6 chips too, but come on, these things cost a grand. Seems to me that these little cameras are being announced or released every other month by someone. Isn't that segment of the market getting a little crowded and confusing to navigate? __________________ ∅ -Ethan Cooper

June 18th, 2008, 02:51 PM	#6
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Yay! A mic input! Recent Panasonic HD cams left off this feature, making the cameras impractical for low-budget lo-pro-sumer work. With audio in, the multi-ring, zebras and histogram, these could be viable for many DVI-ers. One subtle thing I'll be curious to know: how many facets are in the iris? We own a GS500, and it has four. That makes lens flare effects square, which is far from artistic! It's not a litmus-test feature (we only clued in recently), but five or more facets would be nice. If the image is on par with the HV20/30, these cams will be the new consumer champs, simply because of the ring and likely better usability, compared to the HV20/30 menus and focus roller. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

June 18th, 2008, 05:57 PM	#7
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Here you’ll find several pages worth of information about these 2 camcorders. Just keep hitting NEXT at the bottom of each page. Original Japanese http://panasonic.jp/dvc/sd100/index.html English Translated http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ja&tl=en Please post if you find an English version. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

June 18th, 2008, 07:45 AM	#2
John Palaganas Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 71	Even though its 3 chip CMOS its 1/6-inch! Isn't too petite? VS the HV30/20

June 18th, 2008, 01:31 PM	#5
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Hmmm, those look promising, VF, manual control, a real ring... will be interesting to see if they deliver. Lots of good sounding specs and supposed improvements, will be worht watching! All the new releases are trying to find where the market for HD camcorders is... SD is probably dead in the consumer space, but I'd suspect they still don't know what will sell, so they throw stuff out and see if it sticks, if it doesn't, Panasonic in particular kills the product almost before it hits the shelves... When the market figures out what it wants in an HD camcorder, maybe some of the competition will shake out.

June 19th, 2008, 11:35 PM	#9
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	i wish they made a solid state HDV cam one day!

June 21st, 2008, 10:49 AM	#12
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	The EX1 can essentially record HDV on SxS cards.

June 25th, 2008, 08:35 PM	#15
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Anyone have a list of supported frame rates(p or i)? From the links all I could find was shoots at 24fps, or a 3 sec 72 frame burst (still 24fps). __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.