old movie filter at DVinfo.net

Ron Jones · July 7th, 2006, 03:55 PM

I have just upgraded to FCP studio 5. Is there a old movie filter that comes with 5? I need for a job on working on. I know imovie has one. Could someone help.

Thanks, Ron

Arnie Schlissel · July 8th, 2006, 11:11 AM

Nattress film effects is very good, & only $100. nattress.com

Ron Jones · July 10th, 2006, 06:34 AM

Thanks Arnie, l will check them out

Ron

Meryem Ersoz · July 10th, 2006, 08:52 AM

the nattress one is great. if you like the imovie effect, you could always apply it to your clip and import it into FCP. doesn't cost anything that way (but the nattress set is a steal at the price, it's just an idea....)

Ron Jones · July 10th, 2006, 09:43 AM

thanks Meryem,

If l use imovie to do old movie filter. Should l bring clips into imovie and add filter before l edit in FCP. Or can l do all the edits in FCP and then bring into imovie to add filter and cut to DVD in imovie?

Meryem Ersoz · July 10th, 2006, 09:55 AM

hm, good question. i usually add the filter in imovie, then output at full quality (.dv) from imovie and import into FCP (or, in my case, livetype...i have been liking imovie 6's "watercolor" and "bloom" effects for animated sequences)....

you will need to render the imovie sequence in FCP, so be sure that you add a copy to your scratch drive...

i suppose you could do it the other way you suggested as well, but i think that outputting to quicktime in FCP implies more compression than imovie's full quality .dv option....

Ron Jones · July 11th, 2006, 08:37 AM

Thanks much!

Kevin Calumpit · July 11th, 2006, 11:24 AM

if you export with QT conversion and then when the screen comes up to save your export settings if you click on the options button......normally what people use are the varous settings to change the file type( the size the data rate stuff like that) well there is also a filters button and there is a old film look within the Special effects flip down where you get the "hairs and various scratches" it looks alright but its atleast another option for you.

Nick Jushchyshyn · July 11th, 2006, 11:49 AM

You could also send the clip off the timeline over to Motion and use the free "Aged Film" layer preset from MotionSmarts to apply an old film look:
http://www.motionsmarts.com/downloads.html
(link for "aged film" is at the bottome of the page)

You can enhance this effect a bit futher by adding a subtle (possibly shaky) vinette mask too.

FCP uses the Motion project as a new source clip in place of the original, so there's no quality loss (beyond the effects of "old film") or re-rendering.

Ron Jones · July 11th, 2006, 01:36 PM

Thanks Nick, never though about Motion to do this. Just got it and haven’t used it yet.

Jemore Santos · July 14th, 2006, 12:04 AM

Nick I've just played around with it, and wow! for a free filter it kicks ass,
it's got that pre WW1 look to it, do you know who wrote that filter up? I tried to modify it to look like an 8mm home video from the retro era but had mixed results, I tried filters such as glow, bloom, colour correct.

Do you know if they are in the process of making an 8mm filter?

Nick Jushchyshyn · July 14th, 2006, 05:49 AM

Sorry. I haven't really needed to use this effect in much of my own work (for the one film I worked on that needed this look, the director just went out and got an 8mm camera to shoot on :p) so I haven't been watching or researching this area much.

Seems that 8mm is often characterized by selectively desaturated colors rather than being purely B&W.
I haven't really studied them, but my impression is that the blues in old 8mm film tend to fade to white and gray, but greens and reds hold on better ... even though the tend to look more desaturated too.

With this info, you could probably use Shake, or a combination of filters in motion (there's a pretty cool and inexpensive shake-like add-on for Motion called Conduit from dvGarage, BTW: http://www.dvgarage.com/prod/prod.php?prod=conduit) to effectively simulate old 8mm film.

July 7th, 2006, 03:55 PM	#1
Ron Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 95	old movie filter I have just upgraded to FCP studio 5. Is there a old movie filter that comes with 5? I need for a job on working on. I know imovie has one. Could someone help. Thanks, Ron

July 11th, 2006, 11:49 AM	#9
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	You could also send the clip off the timeline over to Motion and use the free "Aged Film" layer preset from MotionSmarts to apply an old film look: http://www.motionsmarts.com/downloads.html (link for "aged film" is at the bottome of the page) You can enhance this effect a bit futher by adding a subtle (possibly shaky) vinette mask too. FCP uses the Motion project as a new source clip in place of the original, so there's no quality loss (beyond the effects of "old film") or re-rendering. __________________ Nick Jushchyshyn Matchmoving, Compositing, TD imdb

July 14th, 2006, 12:04 AM	#11
Jemore Santos Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tokyo/Sydney Posts: 297	Nick I've just played around with it, and wow! for a free filter it kicks ass, it's got that pre WW1 look to it, do you know who wrote that filter up? I tried to modify it to look like an 8mm home video from the retro era but had mixed results, I tried filters such as glow, bloom, colour correct. Do you know if they are in the process of making an 8mm filter? __________________ "eyes through a digital world"

July 14th, 2006, 05:49 AM	#12
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	Sorry. I haven't really needed to use this effect in much of my own work (for the one film I worked on that needed this look, the director just went out and got an 8mm camera to shoot on :p) so I haven't been watching or researching this area much. Seems that 8mm is often characterized by selectively desaturated colors rather than being purely B&W. I haven't really studied them, but my impression is that the blues in old 8mm film tend to fade to white and gray, but greens and reds hold on better ... even though the tend to look more desaturated too. With this info, you could probably use Shake, or a combination of filters in motion (there's a pretty cool and inexpensive shake-like add-on for Motion called Conduit from dvGarage, BTW: http://www.dvgarage.com/prod/prod.php?prod=conduit) to effectively simulate old 8mm film. __________________ Nick Jushchyshyn Matchmoving, Compositing, TD imdb

July 8th, 2006, 11:11 AM	#2
Arnie Schlissel Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York NY Posts: 322	Nattress film effects is very good, & only $100. nattress.com

July 10th, 2006, 06:34 AM	#3
Ron Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 95	Thanks Arnie, l will check them out Ron

July 10th, 2006, 08:52 AM	#4
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	the nattress one is great. if you like the imovie effect, you could always apply it to your clip and import it into FCP. doesn't cost anything that way (but the nattress set is a steal at the price, it's just an idea....)

July 10th, 2006, 09:43 AM	#5
Ron Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 95	thanks Meryem, If l use imovie to do old movie filter. Should l bring clips into imovie and add filter before l edit in FCP. Or can l do all the edits in FCP and then bring into imovie to add filter and cut to DVD in imovie?

July 10th, 2006, 09:55 AM	#6
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	hm, good question. i usually add the filter in imovie, then output at full quality (.dv) from imovie and import into FCP (or, in my case, livetype...i have been liking imovie 6's "watercolor" and "bloom" effects for animated sequences).... you will need to render the imovie sequence in FCP, so be sure that you add a copy to your scratch drive... i suppose you could do it the other way you suggested as well, but i think that outputting to quicktime in FCP implies more compression than imovie's full quality .dv option....

July 11th, 2006, 08:37 AM	#7
Ron Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 95	Thanks much!

July 11th, 2006, 11:24 AM	#8
Kevin Calumpit Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Marcos, CALIFORNIA Posts: 103	if you export with QT conversion and then when the screen comes up to save your export settings if you click on the options button......normally what people use are the varous settings to change the file type( the size the data rate stuff like that) well there is also a filters button and there is a old film look within the Special effects flip down where you get the "hairs and various scratches" it looks alright but its atleast another option for you.

July 11th, 2006, 01:36 PM	#10
Ron Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 95	Thanks Nick, never though about Motion to do this. Just got it and haven’t used it yet.