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Very mad at Magic Bullet! NVIDIA not ATi acceleration
Well, I'm a fool.
I recently tried out the demos of Colorista and LooKs in Premiere CS3, with a Quadcore PC and a modest Nvidia 7600GS card. Really liked both plugins, so thought I would get a better card to speed up their accelerated rendering. Went to the MB Support website and looked up video card compatibility for these two programs specifically. Here's what it says: "Magic Bullet Looks supports a wide range of cards from both ATI or NVIDIA. For ATI cards, we require a 9600 XT or greater, or an X series card starting with the X700 series.... blah blah .... NVIDIA cards are generally faster than ATI cards of the same level for HD or HDV projects." Well... I was wanting to swop to an ATi card because Nvidia has colorshift issues in it's overlay when I use Cineform, plus glitchy black pauses etc. So I figured a FAST ATi card should improve at least a little on a puny 7600GS. Just ordered and installed a Radeon HD4850 and ... what the heck ... an HDV clip that took less than a minute to color-correct using my 7600GS now takes 35 freakin' minutes in Colorista! So I googled around and found on a forum (unaffiliated with MB) that "MB products are only accelerated by NVidia cards, not by ATi ones". Bah humbug!!! - how hard would it have been for MB to state that basic fact more plainly on their video card page??? Perhaps most of you (somehow) knew this already, but I hope this post alerts a few others. |
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Successfully swopped the ATi card with a cheaper GIGABYTE GV-NX96T512HP GeForce 9600 GT (fanless, $80 after rebate). Here's a brief benchmark comparison - thought it might be of interest I couldn't find many of these comparisons online: Premiere CS3 on a Quad6600, XP 64bit, 4GB RAM, with 7200rpm SATA video drive:
Color correct and export a 1:00min clip from a Cineform 1440x1080i avi project: Geforce 7600GS, No color correction: 1:04min Geforce 7600GS, Adobe Fast Color Corrector: 5:33 Geforce 7600GS, Colorista: 9:20 GeForce 9600GT, Colorista: 7:36 |
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What is this problem with NVidia cards and Cineform? I have not heard about this. Are there specific models that are causing this problem?
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The Magic Bullet ATI issue may have been resolved. Their site states that they now support ATI cards. Anyone confirm this?
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Their site always did claim that, in a not-very-specific kind of way.
But maybe they have a new statement - could you supply the link (as I looked just now and didn't find it)? |
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Also check your ATI drivers. Could be a driver problem.
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I bought the mb looks...only to find it doesnt even work with a matrox apve
(I should have tried the demo, oops). A pity that such a useful plugin doesnt work on one of the most popular video cards for editing. Still, theres nothing in mb that you cant do in ae with a bit of thought. |
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Y'know I'd feel bad slamming MB if it was perhaps just a driver issue on my particular system. And things have probably changed since my Sept '08 post.
So ... to make amends can a few folks please post success stories regarding getting hardware acceleration on MB looks or Colorista, with ATi cards (supply card model and driver revision please). |
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On my HD4830 1gb, 8 Core Opteron Workstation running Windows 7 x64 it still takes about 10X longer then real time to render out an 8bit MB Looks layer in After Effects in 16:9 DV Resolution. For final versions in 16bit and 32bit color I simply just set it up on my server (it has a HD4350 512mb, 4 Core Opteron) and let it render away for days depending on the length of composition.
It is sad with all that power it still doesn't perform like a $50 nVidia card would because of the way MB is written. Does anyone know if they are using Cuda? That could explain the lack of ATI/AMD acceleration. Coming from a professional software development background, it's crazy that they are cutting off such a big market. Heck Photoshop CS4 is accelerated very nicely with ATI's 4xxx series of cards without the need to purchase the expensive FireGL line.
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Sorry for the delay, I do not know off the top of my head. I know certain ATI cards have built in encoding/decoding abilities.
I've just given up over the last couple months, through a bunch of trial and error. I ended up with a Dual Core 3.8ghz Phenom II (Overclocked from 3ghz), Radeon 4830 1gb still, 8gb of DDR3, my 4x1.5TB RAID 5 for video storage and 2x64gb SSDs in RAID 0 for my apps and OS. I will be swapping out the 4830 for a 5xxx series card soon, just waiting for the prices to come down a bit. It's actually faster in After Effects with the Magic Bullet suite then my 8 Core Opteron with 16gb of ram. Hopefully the move to 64bit with CS5 will make developers think about also adding in ATI acceleration.
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