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Gary Douglas · May 14th, 2008, 03:24 PM

Hi any advice on this one would be great, even if you don't think it's appropriate, if you could redirect me to any other webpage or website that would be appreciated too.

I was wondering how to quickly and effectively have for a film the effect of a handgun being fired many times.
Is it as simple as buying a good replica, using good sound and after effects and just forgetting the empty shells and smoke? Just having the actors try to sell it with the weight after that?

Marco Wagner · May 14th, 2008, 03:35 PM

We use 8mm prop guns. It is capped so there is no way a regular bullet can be fired through it. It still ejects the shells, makes LOUD bang, and smokes like a real gun. The only post work is adjusting the flare location.

Alex Sprinkle · May 14th, 2008, 03:55 PM

Just use your hands, like I did (see below)

Gary Douglas · May 14th, 2008, 08:29 PM

First thing.
Alex, awesome.

Next

I'm not from States, so coming across this stuff is going to be a bit harder, they have new laws for buying air rifles, BB guns, replicas......

Anybody have advice? Anybody from the UK heard or dealt with this sort of thing?

Nick Jushchyshyn · May 15th, 2008, 04:52 PM

You could by a toy gun (which typically comes in bright orange and/or green) then paint it black. Act out the shooting, then add muzzle flashes in your video editing/effects tool of choice.

DO NOT FILM THIS IN A PUBLICLY VIEWABLE LOCATION AS SOMEONE WILL CALL THE POLICE ON YOU.
If you must shoot in an area in public view DO contact your police department first. You can be in for serious problems if you don't.

detonationfilms.com has lots of free stock clips and tips for this sort of effects work for projects with small to no budget.

PS.... if you'd like to see Alex's idea taken a bit further, check out "diecast":
http://www.diecastfilms.co.uk

Murray Christian · May 21st, 2008, 10:44 PM

Now might be the time to pimp these compatriots of mine. (I should add; potentially poor taste warning)

http://www.youtube.com/user/StupidUsername07

All this stuff is done with replicas, acting and post effects. None of the guns are practical in any way beyond being solid metal and rubber things. It's a bit slap dash at times, I'm not a huge fan of much of it. But you can chart the progress of their post techniques and skills in shooting for these post techniques over the series. They got the flares and casings from stock (some guys have a web site with it all. I can't remember where it is though. Might be that detonation films)
It's an interesting way to amuse yourself on weekends anyway.

Mike Meyerson · May 28th, 2008, 03:11 PM

here you go...

http://www.sell-free.com/replicas/categories.php?cat=29

I used a blank firing .38 cal handgun on a shoot...worked great, looked (and feels) real...only noticeable difference is the flash comes out of the side and not the muzzle...but nothing that can't be fixed in post.

Just be careful...they look REALLY REAL, not to mention the bullets look real too.

Tom Vandas · May 28th, 2008, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Douglas

I'm not from States, so coming across this stuff is going to be a bit harder, they have new laws for buying air rifles, BB guns, replicas......

Hey Gary, I'd start by looking at http://www.airsoftarmoury.co.uk/

They have advice regarding the new laws. But, I'm more impressed with the selection they have, though you pay for the better (more useable) models.

Niall Chadwick · May 29th, 2008, 02:11 AM

For doing muzzle flashes, you might want to look at :

http://fxhome.com/visionlab/video-gallery/3

the muzzles are generated in 3D so they can be rotated and moved so that they match the plane of the firearm.

Jason Bodnar · September 17th, 2008, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murray Christian

Now might be the time to pimp these compatriots of mine. (I should add; potentially poor taste warning)

YouTube - StupidUsername07's Channel

All this stuff is done with replicas, acting and post effects. None of the guns are practical in any way beyond being solid metal and rubber things. It's a bit slap dash at times, I'm not a huge fan of much of it. But you can chart the progress of their post techniques and skills in shooting for these post techniques over the series. They got the flares and casings from stock (some guys have a web site with it all. I can't remember where it is though. Might be that detonation films)
It's an interesting way to amuse yourself on weekends anyway.

Murray, do you know Stuart Bender? Does he have a Website if you know the guys who made this series and the other vids can you pass along their website or info... I would love to discuss some things with them.

Thanks!

Dean Sensui · September 21st, 2008, 02:50 PM

Here's a great series of tutorials including one on how to do a muzzle flash:

VideoCopilot.net Video Tutorials & Post Production

And here's an AE plugin that does something similar:

FXhome.com :: Products :: MuzzlePlug :: Overview

It's $180. And I wondered why anyone would pay that much for something that can be done for free in AE. Then I saw the machine gun scenes and realized that it would be a huge time-saver. If I ever had to do a project with tons of gunfire, I'd get it.

Here's a before/after clip using Video Co-pilot's techniques. The slide was also "actuated" and a shell can be seen kicking out of the ejection port. Sound effects complete the illusion.

http://basetwoproductions.com/videos/rubber_gun.mov

Murray Christian · September 26th, 2008, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Bodnar

Murray, do you know Stuart Bender? Does he have a Website if you know the guys who made this series and the other vids can you pass along their website or info... I would love to discuss some things with them.

Thanks!

Yeah, I shot their last couple of things actually. I'm not sure if he's got a website or blog or anything though. I shall ask.

Bob Hart · September 27th, 2008, 12:34 AM

You could perhaps go to an approved outdoors range, set up a greenscreen, lock off a camera on a tripod and fire the real thing, maybe with the shooter wearing a green glove.

Giroud Francois · September 27th, 2008, 03:57 AM

Toys are definitely better. They are light (some people have a real pain to realistically hold huge heavy gun .). They are quiet. even if you used blank fire gun , you would know they are impossible to use indoor or outdoor at anytime because the real loud bang. so just imagin using them at night in a building or in the streets....
Blank firing gun are dangerous. they can not be pointed on people (they can eject small parts) , they produce a flame at the tip, the ejected cartridge is very hot, it smell bad, the loud bang makes you grin or can make you deaf. and they cost the hell....
I got a case full of airsoft gun (including the Berretta you can see in all series) , plus one blank Beretta model (for special take).
Some toys are electrically fired, so they really act like the real ones, including cartridge ejection , even on machine gun.
Just take a look on the web, there is plenty of shop selling on the web.

just an sample of what is available....
http://www.trinityairsoft.com/

http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/default.asp?page=gun

Chris Barcellos · September 27th, 2008, 08:52 AM

In this 48Hour Film Project shoot, we had no time to CG muzzle flash in. See shot at end of film. I never had anyone comment on the lack of it... the imagination just seems to fill in whats missing in the brief shot.. We used a non firing prop gun.

Death for Rent on Vimeo

May 14th, 2008, 03:24 PM	#1
Gary Douglas Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 40	Guns! Hi any advice on this one would be great, even if you don't think it's appropriate, if you could redirect me to any other webpage or website that would be appreciated too. I was wondering how to quickly and effectively have for a film the effect of a handgun being fired many times. Is it as simple as buying a good replica, using good sound and after effects and just forgetting the empty shells and smoke? Just having the actors try to sell it with the weight after that?

May 14th, 2008, 03:35 PM	#2
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	We use 8mm prop guns. It is capped so there is no way a regular bullet can be fired through it. It still ejects the shells, makes LOUD bang, and smokes like a real gun. The only post work is adjusting the flare location. __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

May 14th, 2008, 03:55 PM	#3
Alex Sprinkle Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moore, Oklahoma Posts: 408	Just use your hands, like I did (see below) __________________ What if hand guns were really hand guns?

May 15th, 2008, 04:52 PM	#5
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	You could by a toy gun (which typically comes in bright orange and/or green) then paint it black. Act out the shooting, then add muzzle flashes in your video editing/effects tool of choice. DO NOT FILM THIS IN A PUBLICLY VIEWABLE LOCATION AS SOMEONE WILL CALL THE POLICE ON YOU. If you must shoot in an area in public view DO contact your police department first. You can be in for serious problems if you don't. detonationfilms.com has lots of free stock clips and tips for this sort of effects work for projects with small to no budget. PS.... if you'd like to see Alex's idea taken a bit further, check out "diecast": http://www.diecastfilms.co.uk __________________ Nick Jushchyshyn Matchmoving, Compositing, TD imdb

September 21st, 2008, 02:50 PM	#11
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	Here's a great series of tutorials including one on how to do a muzzle flash: VideoCopilot.net Video Tutorials & Post Production And here's an AE plugin that does something similar: FXhome.com :: Products :: MuzzlePlug :: Overview It's $180. And I wondered why anyone would pay that much for something that can be done for free in AE. Then I saw the machine gun scenes and realized that it would be a huge time-saver. If I ever had to do a project with tons of gunfire, I'd get it. Here's a before/after clip using Video Co-pilot's techniques. The slide was also "actuated" and a shell can be seen kicking out of the ejection port. Sound effects complete the illusion. http://basetwoproductions.com/videos/rubber_gun.mov __________________ Dean Sensui Exec Producer, Hawaii Goes Fishing Last edited by Dean Sensui; September 21st, 2008 at 02:58 PM. Reason: added info & URL

May 14th, 2008, 08:29 PM	#4
Gary Douglas Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 40	First thing. Alex, awesome. Next I'm not from States, so coming across this stuff is going to be a bit harder, they have new laws for buying air rifles, BB guns, replicas...... Anybody have advice? Anybody from the UK heard or dealt with this sort of thing?

May 21st, 2008, 10:44 PM	#6
Murray Christian Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 240	Now might be the time to pimp these compatriots of mine. (I should add; potentially poor taste warning) http://www.youtube.com/user/StupidUsername07 All this stuff is done with replicas, acting and post effects. None of the guns are practical in any way beyond being solid metal and rubber things. It's a bit slap dash at times, I'm not a huge fan of much of it. But you can chart the progress of their post techniques and skills in shooting for these post techniques over the series. They got the flares and casings from stock (some guys have a web site with it all. I can't remember where it is though. Might be that detonation films) It's an interesting way to amuse yourself on weekends anyway.

May 28th, 2008, 03:11 PM	#7
Mike Meyerson Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: mahopac, NY Posts: 293	here you go... http://www.sell-free.com/replicas/categories.php?cat=29 I used a blank firing .38 cal handgun on a shoot...worked great, looked (and feels) real...only noticeable difference is the flash comes out of the side and not the muzzle...but nothing that can't be fixed in post. Just be careful...they look REALLY REAL, not to mention the bullets look real too.

May 29th, 2008, 02:11 AM	#9
Niall Chadwick Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 83	For doing muzzle flashes, you might want to look at : http://fxhome.com/visionlab/video-gallery/3 the muzzles are generated in 3D so they can be rotated and moved so that they match the plane of the firearm.

September 27th, 2008, 12:34 AM	#13
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	You could perhaps go to an approved outdoors range, set up a greenscreen, lock off a camera on a tripod and fire the real thing, maybe with the shooter wearing a green glove.

September 27th, 2008, 03:57 AM	#14
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	Toys are definitely better. They are light (some people have a real pain to realistically hold huge heavy gun .). They are quiet. even if you used blank fire gun , you would know they are impossible to use indoor or outdoor at anytime because the real loud bang. so just imagin using them at night in a building or in the streets.... Blank firing gun are dangerous. they can not be pointed on people (they can eject small parts) , they produce a flame at the tip, the ejected cartridge is very hot, it smell bad, the loud bang makes you grin or can make you deaf. and they cost the hell.... I got a case full of airsoft gun (including the Berretta you can see in all series) , plus one blank Beretta model (for special take). Some toys are electrically fired, so they really act like the real ones, including cartridge ejection , even on machine gun. Just take a look on the web, there is plenty of shop selling on the web. just an sample of what is available.... http://www.trinityairsoft.com/ http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/default.asp?page=gun

September 27th, 2008, 08:52 AM	#15
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	In this 48Hour Film Project shoot, we had no time to CG muzzle flash in. See shot at end of film. I never had anyone comment on the lack of it... the imagination just seems to fill in whats missing in the brief shot.. We used a non firing prop gun. Death for Rent on Vimeo __________________ Chris J. Barcellos