How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! at DVinfo.net

Mat Thompson · April 3rd, 2015, 05:23 PM

How do people find playback in Prores 4k palback?

I'm doing my first project with it and its dreadful. Very glitchy, do anything other than just play the clip and things start jumping around and going frizzy !?

Chris Medico · April 3rd, 2015, 06:25 PM

What kind of drive array are you using? I've been testing it today and it takes at least a 2 drive RAID0 setup to play smoothly on my system.

It will playback smoothly from a SSD.

Chris Medico · April 3rd, 2015, 06:29 PM

Here is a screenshot showing 4k Prores using more than 50% of a 2 drive RAID0 setup.

Mat Thompson · April 3rd, 2015, 06:31 PM

No...on the 7q not in post !?

Chris Medico · April 3rd, 2015, 06:33 PM

Thats odd. I played back footage today and it seemed OK. I need to check and make sure it was ProRes and not DNG.

Mat Thompson · April 4th, 2015, 03:16 AM

Try scrubbing a little and pausing and skipping clips.

Straight playing seems to go ok just about.

I'd be vvey interested to know if others are struggling in this way.

The beta testing continues !!!

Dan Keaton · April 7th, 2015, 06:43 AM

Dear Mat,

Which firmware are you using 4.10.100 or 5.10.100?

I know that we are improving the 4K Apple ProRes 422 Playback.

Respectfully,

Mat Thompson · April 7th, 2015, 12:25 PM

5.1 Dan

Mat

Jim Arthurs · April 16th, 2015, 07:35 PM

Hi Mat. I'm assuming you're trying playback on the PC? In general, straight playback of 4K ProRes is hit or miss on the PC. Sometimes you can get a smooth experience, but not always. I just built a new 6 core box with plenty of Ram, a decent graphics card and a Samsung EVO 850 drive to play from and playback of UHD ProRes is still not a great experience.

I recently edited the UHD native NAB image video for Convergent Design, called "Assignment: Odyssey"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMD2...ature=youtu.be

...Eight different cameras, 3 Raw formats, and the bulk of the material was UHD ProRes. It was important for me, as a PC user, to come up with a viable post workflow for the project (and future jobs). It is just unacceptable to edit with jerky playback. Jerky playback ruins your timing, and makes it easy to miss frame rate mis-matches and other glitches.

So here was my workflow...

1.) Resolve to ingest all ProRes UHD and the Raw formats (Canon Raw, Sony Raw and ArriRaw) and generate DNxHD 36Mb/sec 1080p proxies with no color correction.

2.) Edit with the proxies in Premiere. Ultra smooth playback, no dropped frames ever.

3.) Export XML edit list back to Resolve and color grade the original footage selects.

4.) Export CC'ed full UHD clips from Resolve in CineForm codec with.mov wrapper.

5.) Final assembly in Premiere with audio work,etc.

Worked great, clean as a whistle. Would recommend for any long form project.

Here's the secret weapon on the PC... CineForm. With the CineForm codec you can expect full speed playback of UHD .mov wrapped material at 1/2 rez. in your editing app, and flawless playback full screen, full res if you wrap or re-wrap your CineForm files as .avi.

I hope this helps, or points to a way of working. Apple makes it VERY difficult as a PC user to enjoy ProRes, but there are work-arounds.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs

Gary Huff · April 17th, 2015, 08:24 AM

Jim has a great workflow there. Just don't try to online ProRes if you are working under Windows as Apple's support for it is via a 32-bit legacy Windows application named QuickTime (even current OSX versions have bypassed QuckTime for AVFoundation). It's already bad enough at 1080.

Mat Thompson · April 18th, 2015, 03:37 AM

Guys - Read the post....ON THE 7Q, not in post !

Ryan Douthit · April 21st, 2015, 08:16 AM

I'm running 5.1 as well and noticed that in-unit 4k playback, specifically scrubbing, is all sorts of ugly.

Mat Thompson · April 21st, 2015, 12:23 PM

Thanks Ryan....it is obviously another glitch.

Roger Martin · August 12th, 2015, 12:22 PM

They say: "If you are not making mistakes, you are not learning".
Last time I tried. 4k worked fine on my Odyssey and computer with firmware 2015.5
The amount of processing, disc space etc caused me to switch to DownRes to 1080P30

Dan Keaton · August 13th, 2015, 07:44 AM

Dear Roger,

This is an old thread from April 2015, as we were introducing new playback modes that allowed scrubbing.

This is from 5.10.100

Since then, we have released many firmware updates:

2015.5 (May 2015)

2015.7 (July 2015)

2015.8 (August 2015)

I highly recommend that if you are using 2015.5 (our May 2015 firmware release) that you upgrade to 2015.8 (from August 6, 2015).

There are many significant new features that you are missing if you are still using previous versions of our firmware.

Respectfully,

April 3rd, 2015, 05:23 PM	#1
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! How do people find playback in Prores 4k palback? I'm doing my first project with it and its dreadful. Very glitchy, do anything other than just play the clip and things start jumping around and going frizzy !? __________________ Mat Thompson www.matthompsontv.co.uk

April 3rd, 2015, 06:25 PM	#2
Chris Medico Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Efland NC, USA Posts: 2,322	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! What kind of drive array are you using? I've been testing it today and it takes at least a 2 drive RAID0 setup to play smoothly on my system. It will playback smoothly from a SSD. __________________ http://www.LandYachtMedia.com

April 3rd, 2015, 06:29 PM	#3
Chris Medico Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Efland NC, USA Posts: 2,322	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Here is a screenshot showing 4k Prores using more than 50% of a 2 drive RAID0 setup. Attached Thumbnails __________________ http://www.LandYachtMedia.com

April 3rd, 2015, 06:31 PM	#4
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! No...on the 7q not in post !? __________________ Mat Thompson www.matthompsontv.co.uk

April 3rd, 2015, 06:33 PM	#5
Chris Medico Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Efland NC, USA Posts: 2,322	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Thats odd. I played back footage today and it seemed OK. I need to check and make sure it was ProRes and not DNG. __________________ http://www.LandYachtMedia.com

April 4th, 2015, 03:16 AM	#6
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Try scrubbing a little and pausing and skipping clips. Straight playing seems to go ok just about. I'd be vvey interested to know if others are struggling in this way. The beta testing continues !!! __________________ Mat Thompson www.matthompsontv.co.uk

April 7th, 2015, 06:43 AM	#7
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Dear Mat, Which firmware are you using 4.10.100 or 5.10.100? I know that we are improving the 4K Apple ProRes 422 Playback. Respectfully, __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

April 7th, 2015, 12:25 PM	#8
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! 5.1 Dan Mat __________________ Mat Thompson www.matthompsontv.co.uk

April 16th, 2015, 07:35 PM	#9
Jim Arthurs Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 120	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Hi Mat. I'm assuming you're trying playback on the PC? In general, straight playback of 4K ProRes is hit or miss on the PC. Sometimes you can get a smooth experience, but not always. I just built a new 6 core box with plenty of Ram, a decent graphics card and a Samsung EVO 850 drive to play from and playback of UHD ProRes is still not a great experience. I recently edited the UHD native NAB image video for Convergent Design, called "Assignment: Odyssey"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMD2...ature=youtu.be ...Eight different cameras, 3 Raw formats, and the bulk of the material was UHD ProRes. It was important for me, as a PC user, to come up with a viable post workflow for the project (and future jobs). It is just unacceptable to edit with jerky playback. Jerky playback ruins your timing, and makes it easy to miss frame rate mis-matches and other glitches. So here was my workflow... 1.) Resolve to ingest all ProRes UHD and the Raw formats (Canon Raw, Sony Raw and ArriRaw) and generate DNxHD 36Mb/sec 1080p proxies with no color correction. 2.) Edit with the proxies in Premiere. Ultra smooth playback, no dropped frames ever. 3.) Export XML edit list back to Resolve and color grade the original footage selects. 4.) Export CC'ed full UHD clips from Resolve in CineForm codec with.mov wrapper. 5.) Final assembly in Premiere with audio work,etc. Worked great, clean as a whistle. Would recommend for any long form project. Here's the secret weapon on the PC... CineForm. With the CineForm codec you can expect full speed playback of UHD .mov wrapped material at 1/2 rez. in your editing app, and flawless playback full screen, full res if you wrap or re-wrap your CineForm files as .avi. I hope this helps, or points to a way of working. Apple makes it VERY difficult as a PC user to enjoy ProRes, but there are work-arounds. Regards, Jim Arthurs

April 17th, 2015, 08:24 AM	#10
Gary Huff Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,006	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Jim has a great workflow there. Just don't try to online ProRes if you are working under Windows as Apple's support for it is via a 32-bit legacy Windows application named QuickTime (even current OSX versions have bypassed QuckTime for AVFoundation). It's already bad enough at 1080.

April 18th, 2015, 03:37 AM	#11
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Guys - Read the post....ON THE 7Q, not in post ! __________________ Mat Thompson www.matthompsontv.co.uk

April 21st, 2015, 08:16 AM	#12
Ryan Douthit Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 474	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! I'm running 5.1 as well and noticed that in-unit 4k playback, specifically scrubbing, is all sorts of ugly. __________________ MediaSpigot LLC http://www.mediaspigot.com

April 21st, 2015, 12:23 PM	#13
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Thanks Ryan....it is obviously another glitch. __________________ Mat Thompson www.matthompsontv.co.uk

August 12th, 2015, 12:22 PM	#14
Roger Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Prunedale California Posts: 108	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! They say: "If you are not making mistakes, you are not learning". Last time I tried. 4k worked fine on my Odyssey and computer with firmware 2015.5 The amount of processing, disc space etc caused me to switch to DownRes to 1080P30

August 13th, 2015, 07:44 AM	#15
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: How do you find Pro Res 4k Playback ? Very glitchy! Dear Roger, This is an old thread from April 2015, as we were introducing new playback modes that allowed scrubbing. This is from 5.10.100 Since then, we have released many firmware updates: 2015.5 (May 2015) 2015.7 (July 2015) 2015.8 (August 2015) I highly recommend that if you are using 2015.5 (our May 2015 firmware release) that you upgrade to 2015.8 (from August 6, 2015). There are many significant new features that you are missing if you are still using previous versions of our firmware. Respectfully, __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia