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Ron Aerts · October 23rd, 2014, 12:44 AM

When using the 7Q output (A or B) and fed into an IDX camwave transmitter, the receiver outputs a distorted signal. When coming from any other device there are no problems with the signal.
For some reason the marshall fieldmonitor I gives a 24p 1920 detection, but I use 25p. The full chain is tested without the camwave and all devices i have and everything seems ok.
The odessey is the only device which cannot output the right signal for the camwave.
I work as a steadicam operator and had loads of different brand devices connected to the camwave without problems. Seems that the 7Q out does something to the signal out of the Sdi tolerance!
Due to the fact that more and more (4k) cameras have only 1 SDI out, there is no simple way to put the 7Q at the end of the SDI chain.

Dan Keaton · October 25th, 2014, 09:18 AM

Dear Ron,

We will be happy to research this problem.

Please send me a private email, with the camera that you are using, and the format, which I assume is 1080p25.

It appears that you are stating that if the input to the Odyssey7Q is 1080p25, we output 1080p24 over the HD-SDI outputs.

Do you have Overlays Off, and Record Tally off?

Please let us know the firmware release number that you are using.

This is found in Odyssey|About.

Or you can call me at: seven one nine -- nine three zero --- one three seven six.

Respectfully,

Dan Keaton · October 25th, 2014, 06:00 PM

Dear Ron,

1080p25 can be 1080p25 (true progressive) or 1080psf25 which is more common.

Many cameras output 1080psf25 (Progressive Segmented Frames).

The Odyssey7Q can accept both.

In PSF, the odd frame lines are in one field, and the even frame lines are in the other field within one frame of video.

This is done so that monitors that support interlaced only can display an image from a Progressive camera.

In the Odyssey7Q, we take the PSF frames and extract pure progressive, since that is the best way to record the images.

But, here is the problem.

If your camera is outputting 1080psf25, then we process this, and our HD-SDI output is 1080p25 (not PSF).

I would assume that the CamWave can accept true 1080p25 (true progressive), but the monitor at the CamWave Receiver may not be able to handle true 1080p25.

I hope this helps.

Respectfully,

Ron Aerts · February 16th, 2015, 10:20 AM

I tested with the new 7Q+
On the input i give HD 1080 25p or 50p signals (Sony F3), with progressive cadence. (no interlaced)
under output options the function "psf out" to value "off" the camwave does not work
this set to value "on" the camwave works OK. I assume this means that the (old) camwave system only accept signals up to 50i or 25 psf... But workable, as long as I stay in HD

When I feed the 7Q+ with a 4K HDMI signal (A7s), the output option for psf is grayed out (on value "off") and I have no signal anymore on the camwave system, same with an older type viewfinder I use

Is it possible to get the psf function on the output also in the UHD input modes?
I think for a lot of vintage equipment (this means older then 3 years in this business) this would be very useful

please?

thanks, Ron

Dan Keaton · February 20th, 2015, 01:17 PM

Dear Ron,

We will look into your request.

I will alert our team.

I have tested our very latest firmware, and with Ultra-HD coming in, we do not support the PSF output feature, but we do support normal 1080p (progressive) output at this time.

Respectfully,

Dan Keaton · February 20th, 2015, 04:35 PM

Dear Ron,

I have spoken with our Chief Engineer.

We will be adding the feature that you have requested

This is not a minor change, so please allow us some time to implement your request.

This will not make it into our very next firmware release, as it is too late for that, but stay tuned.

Respectfully,

Ron Aerts · March 4th, 2015, 12:12 AM

Thanks, lot of us will be looking forward seeing this psf output work!

Dave Allen · March 6th, 2015, 03:31 PM

Anyone who doubts that Convergent Design works at the speed of light to support their product and buyers needs to read this thread.

I remember when Apple had an OSX version that didn't properly communicate via the mini display port to projectors, rendering the footage into some bizarre charade 90% of the time...and it took Apple 2 years to fix it, always refusing to acknowledge any problem.

Well done Dan and C.D!

October 25th, 2014, 09:18 AM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: 7Q andCamWave Dear Ron, We will be happy to research this problem. Please send me a private email, with the camera that you are using, and the format, which I assume is 1080p25. It appears that you are stating that if the input to the Odyssey7Q is 1080p25, we output 1080p24 over the HD-SDI outputs. Do you have Overlays Off, and Record Tally off? Please let us know the firmware release number that you are using. This is found in Odyssey\|About. Or you can call me at: seven one nine -- nine three zero --- one three seven six. Respectfully, __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 25th, 2014, 06:00 PM	#3
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: 7Q andCamWave Dear Ron, 1080p25 can be 1080p25 (true progressive) or 1080psf25 which is more common. Many cameras output 1080psf25 (Progressive Segmented Frames). The Odyssey7Q can accept both. In PSF, the odd frame lines are in one field, and the even frame lines are in the other field within one frame of video. This is done so that monitors that support interlaced only can display an image from a Progressive camera. In the Odyssey7Q, we take the PSF frames and extract pure progressive, since that is the best way to record the images. But, here is the problem. If your camera is outputting 1080psf25, then we process this, and our HD-SDI output is 1080p25 (not PSF). I would assume that the CamWave can accept true 1080p25 (true progressive), but the monitor at the CamWave Receiver may not be able to handle true 1080p25. I hope this helps. Respectfully, __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

February 16th, 2015, 10:20 AM	#4
Ron Aerts Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Drachten, Netherlands Posts: 179	Re: 7Q andCamWave I tested with the new 7Q+ On the input i give HD 1080 25p or 50p signals (Sony F3), with progressive cadence. (no interlaced) under output options the function "psf out" to value "off" the camwave does not work this set to value "on" the camwave works OK. I assume this means that the (old) camwave system only accept signals up to 50i or 25 psf... But workable, as long as I stay in HD When I feed the 7Q+ with a 4K HDMI signal (A7s), the output option for psf is grayed out (on value "off") and I have no signal anymore on the camwave system, same with an older type viewfinder I use Is it possible to get the psf function on the output also in the UHD input modes? I think for a lot of vintage equipment (this means older then 3 years in this business) this would be very useful please? thanks, Ron

February 20th, 2015, 01:17 PM	#5
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: 7Q andCamWave Dear Ron, We will look into your request. I will alert our team. I have tested our very latest firmware, and with Ultra-HD coming in, we do not support the PSF output feature, but we do support normal 1080p (progressive) output at this time. Respectfully, __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

February 20th, 2015, 04:35 PM	#6
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: 7Q andCamWave Dear Ron, I have spoken with our Chief Engineer. We will be adding the feature that you have requested This is not a minor change, so please allow us some time to implement your request. This will not make it into our very next firmware release, as it is too late for that, but stay tuned. Respectfully, __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

March 4th, 2015, 12:12 AM	#7
Ron Aerts Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Drachten, Netherlands Posts: 179	Re: 7Q andCamWave Thanks, lot of us will be looking forward seeing this psf output work!

March 6th, 2015, 03:31 PM	#8
Dave Allen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 497	Re: 7Q andCamWave Anyone who doubts that Convergent Design works at the speed of light to support their product and buyers needs to read this thread. I remember when Apple had an OSX version that didn't properly communicate via the mini display port to projectors, rendering the footage into some bizarre charade 90% of the time...and it took Apple 2 years to fix it, always refusing to acknowledge any problem. Well done Dan and C.D! __________________ Dave -