Nano3D - problems with Anaglyph & SidexSide at DVinfo.net

Bruce Schultz · February 4th, 2011, 09:03 PM

As well as Line by Line displaying at all on a 2D monitor.

I've been told by Dan K. just what the secret sauce is for getting these features to display on a 2D monitor, but for the life of me I can't remember the exact secrets to get it working.

I can't remember if E to E should be on or off, should something be set on the non-3D activated unit, etc. Anyone write this down perhaps? A sticky? It's not in the manual because I did RTFM.

Dan Keaton · February 5th, 2011, 09:28 AM

Dear Bruce,

Here is my advice.

Set on E to E Direct set to the same value both the Master and Slave Units.

(See my notes below from a shoot with two Sony F35's, where I had E to E Direct Off. It may work to have E to E Direct on also, but both units have to be setup the same.)

On the Master Unit, Enable 3D

On the Master Unit, Enable Combine, Side by Side, Anaglyph or Line by Line.

If the cameras are gen-locked, truely gen-clocked (and not just using the same timecode), then you should see Side by Side, Anaglyph or Line by Line, output of the Master Unit's HD-SDI output.

(The 9" HDMI cable must be connected from the Slave HDMI Out to the Master HDMI In.)

If the cameras are not gen-locked, then you will see the "Left Eye" only outof the Master Unit's HD-SDI output.

I was traveling yesterday and did not have access to the internet or my phones.

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Here is a setup that I used to record 3D using two Sony F35's at 1080p24.
(Genlock is critical to use our Combine Function)

System Menu

Max Files Size 100%

Source SDI

File, on Left, set 1L then the clip number, then 001.MOV or MXF (your choice depending on your editor)

Trigger: Remote Record

Duration: Unchecked

Timecode: Source: LTC (Send timecode to nano3D via BNC timecode input on the Remote Control cable)

Timecode: Source Embedded (if appropriate)

Source: SDI

Prebuffer off

Power Saving: Off

Video Menu

Bit-Rate: Your choice over 140 Mbps

Codec: I-Frame

Record PSF>Prog Off

Play PSF> Prog Off (Very Important)

Remove 3:2 Pulldown Off

720p 60/50 >30/25 Off

E to E Direct: Off

T-Lapse Off

Crank Off

Screen Tally Off

Flip V (as desired on left and right)

Flip H (as desired on left and right)

Video 3D Menu

Enable (on Master Unit Only) Off on Slave

Combine: Side by Side

Record Combined: Off

Play Ref: Ext (HDMI) on Master, Int on Slave

Frame Shift 0 (Must be zero if you wish to use any Combine Function other than Side by Side)

Audio:

As desired

Bruce, please feel free to call me.

Bruce Schultz · February 5th, 2011, 03:29 PM

I followed your chart. I got things working when;

* E to E must be off on both Master & Slave.
* Play Prog>PSF must be off on Slave but can be either on or off on Master. (A little odd, but since it's a playback function and not record I'm not going to stress about one unit having non-identical settings to the other.)
* Remove 3:2 Pulldown can be either on or off on both units
* Screen Tally can be either on or off on both units
* Record PSF>Prog can be on or off on both units

BTW, I was doing this with the NF3D's hooked up to a Panasonic 3DA1 so genlock was not an issue. Item #2 seemed to be the big obstacle to success.

Dan Keaton · February 5th, 2011, 03:58 PM

Dear Bruce,

On the Slave unit, Item 2, Video|Play Prog>PSF must be off for 24p.

It will not work, with 1080p24 sources, in Combine Mode, if it is on.

I am glad you have it working.

Bruce Schultz · February 5th, 2011, 04:29 PM

Yes, it was that oddity of one NF having a different setting than the other in 24P mode that caused the problems.

Thanks for your insight.

February 4th, 2011, 09:03 PM	#1
Bruce Schultz Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Malibu, CA Posts: 480	Nano3D - problems with Anaglyph & SidexSide As well as Line by Line displaying at all on a 2D monitor. I've been told by Dan K. just what the secret sauce is for getting these features to display on a 2D monitor, but for the life of me I can't remember the exact secrets to get it working. I can't remember if E to E should be on or off, should something be set on the non-3D activated unit, etc. Anyone write this down perhaps? A sticky? It's not in the manual because I did RTFM. Attached Images

February 5th, 2011, 03:58 PM	#4
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Bruce, On the Slave unit, Item 2, Video\|Play Prog>PSF must be off for 24p. It will not work, with 1080p24 sources, in Combine Mode, if it is on. I am glad you have it working. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

February 5th, 2011, 09:28 AM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Bruce, Here is my advice. Set on E to E Direct set to the same value both the Master and Slave Units. (See my notes below from a shoot with two Sony F35's, where I had E to E Direct Off. It may work to have E to E Direct on also, but both units have to be setup the same.) On the Master Unit, Enable 3D On the Master Unit, Enable Combine, Side by Side, Anaglyph or Line by Line. If the cameras are gen-locked, truely gen-clocked (and not just using the same timecode), then you should see Side by Side, Anaglyph or Line by Line, output of the Master Unit's HD-SDI output. (The 9" HDMI cable must be connected from the Slave HDMI Out to the Master HDMI In.) If the cameras are not gen-locked, then you will see the "Left Eye" only outof the Master Unit's HD-SDI output. I was traveling yesterday and did not have access to the internet or my phones. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a setup that I used to record 3D using two Sony F35's at 1080p24. (Genlock is critical to use our Combine Function) System Menu Max Files Size 100% Source SDI File, on Left, set 1L then the clip number, then 001.MOV or MXF (your choice depending on your editor) Trigger: Remote Record Duration: Unchecked Timecode: Source: LTC (Send timecode to nano3D via BNC timecode input on the Remote Control cable) Timecode: Source Embedded (if appropriate) Source: SDI Prebuffer off Power Saving: Off Video Menu Bit-Rate: Your choice over 140 Mbps Codec: I-Frame Record PSF>Prog Off Play PSF> Prog Off (Very Important) Remove 3:2 Pulldown Off 720p 60/50 >30/25 Off E to E Direct: Off T-Lapse Off Crank Off Screen Tally Off Flip V (as desired on left and right) Flip H (as desired on left and right) Video 3D Menu Enable (on Master Unit Only) Off on Slave Combine: Side by Side Record Combined: Off Play Ref: Ext (HDMI) on Master, Int on Slave Frame Shift 0 (Must be zero if you wish to use any Combine Function other than Side by Side) Audio: As desired Bruce, please feel free to call me. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

February 5th, 2011, 03:29 PM	#3
Bruce Schultz Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Malibu, CA Posts: 480	I followed your chart. I got things working when; * E to E must be off on both Master & Slave. * Play Prog>PSF must be off on Slave but can be either on or off on Master. (A little odd, but since it's a playback function and not record I'm not going to stress about one unit having non-identical settings to the other.) * Remove 3:2 Pulldown can be either on or off on both units * Screen Tally can be either on or off on both units * Record PSF>Prog can be on or off on both units BTW, I was doing this with the NF3D's hooked up to a Panasonic 3DA1 so genlock was not an issue. Item #2 seemed to be the big obstacle to success.

February 5th, 2011, 04:29 PM	#5
Bruce Schultz Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Malibu, CA Posts: 480	Yes, it was that oddity of one NF having a different setting than the other in 24P mode that caused the problems. Thanks for your insight.