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Ronald Jackson · January 13th, 2011, 06:42 AM

Apart from connecting via HDMI cable is there anything else I need to do? How about timecode and audio?

Extra cables needed with my XLH1.

Ron

Dan Keaton · January 13th, 2011, 10:39 AM

Dear Ron,

You just need a HDMI cable, Type A to Type C.

Type A is the regular large connector
Type C is the mini HDMI connector

HDMI does not carry timecode, and the HV20 does not output timecode but it does output audio.

There are all different quality HDMI cables.

Type A to Type C cables are harder to find.

The ones that nanoFlash.net - Free Express Shipping*with purchase of nanoFlashOrder online or email rick@nanoflash.net sells have proven to be better than most.
These are the same that Convergent Design used to sell individually to our dealers.
These are the ones that are included in our nanoFlash bundle.

Other dealers may have these quality Type A to Type C cables.

Rafael Amador · January 16th, 2011, 07:31 AM

I think what Ron needs is a Type C to Type C ( Mini to Mini) to connect that camera to the NANO.
Not that easy to find.
rafael

Dan Keaton · January 17th, 2011, 08:53 AM

Dear Rafael,

The Canon HV20 uses a Type A (Large) HDMI connector.

We include a Type A to Type C HDMI cable in our nanoFlash Bundle, and these cables are available at nanoFlash.net and other dealers, of course, sell them also.

Rob Dommermuth · January 17th, 2011, 07:20 PM

Dan is correct, The HV20 uses the Type A to Type C HDMI cable

I have an HV20 but the nano flash can't see it any more.

I also have a CD Nano Connect hooked to a Black Magic Multi-Bridge Ext,
that also can't see the HV20

Yet when I hook it up to a TV via HDMI it plays fine

If any one has any ideas I would appreciate it.

Dan Keaton · January 17th, 2011, 08:10 PM

Dear Rob,

That is a tough one.

Are you using to the same HDMI cable when you hook it up to your TV?

I assume not, as the HV20 to nanoFlash cable has to be Type A to Type C.

While the HDMI cable to your TV would normally be a Type A to Type A cable.

Rob Dommermuth · January 18th, 2011, 04:53 PM

Hi Dan,

Yes you are correct I am using a different cable to the TV ,

I tried 3 different HDMI cables so I don't think it's the cable.

I personally think it the HV20, probably a voltage thing,

because I hook up my Sony V1U via HDMI to the Nano and it had no problem

seeing it.

I just thought I'd ask, maybe someone else had the same problem.

Thanks

Alan Emery · January 18th, 2011, 05:42 PM

Hi Rob,

I realize this is an obvious item, so it is probably not the issue, but I thought I would throw it out there nonetheless. I would never have dared make this suggestion except that I have done it myself!

I sometimes hook an HV40 (similar to HV20) to a nanoflash. I am embarrassed to say that on occasion I have made the mistake of sticking the HDMI cable (small connector end) into the wrong plug on the nanoflash. The writing is very small on the nano and I have a little trouble seeing which is in and which is out. There is only one plug on the HV40 so I can't go wrong at that end.

Hope you find the answer soon,
Alan

Rob Dommermuth · January 19th, 2011, 07:43 AM

H Alan,
Thanks for the suggestion but that was the first thing I checked.

Also don't be ashamed of hooking your HV40 to the nano that is a 1080 422 singnal

coming out of the HDMI port.

The reason I do it is because my EX1 is to heavy for my Merlin, and I hat having to capture

from tape.

Alan Emery · January 19th, 2011, 08:45 AM

Hi Rob,

Too bad -- I was hoping it would be easy.

Here's one other thought. I have found that the order of connecting things makes a difference. If you have the camera on and hook up the nanoflash with the HDMI cable already in place, they won't communicate. Instead try getting everything hooked up with the camera on and the nanoflash on but not seeing the camera. Then leave the camera on, and turn the nanoflash off, then on again. Depending on the model, it may mean disconnecting the battery. If that doesn't work try it the other way around (nanoflash on and turn the camera off then on). I also find it takes a moment or two (can be 10 seconds) for the two to complete the handshake.

By the way, I agree that the images from the HV40 into the nanoflash are amazingly good if the light is just right (not too contrasty and not too dark) and it is so nice not to have to deal with the tape.

Good luck, Alan

Dan Keaton · January 19th, 2011, 08:47 AM

Dear Rob,

I have no idea why your nanoFlash works properly with another HDMI camera and not your HV20.

We use the HV30 in our lab all of the time.

What frame rate are you using?

Have you tried 1080i59.94 (which may be listed as 1080i60 in the camera)?

Rafael Amador · January 19th, 2011, 10:51 AM

Did you selected "HDMI IN" on the NANO?
By default the NANO is set for SDI IN.
Rafael

Dan Keaton · January 19th, 2011, 08:45 PM

Dear Rob,

Luben has suggested that you try turning off Video|E to E Direct.

If you have it off, try turning it on.

Thanks for the suggestion Luben.

Garrett Low · January 19th, 2011, 11:00 PM

Hi Ronald,

I was having the same issue with my HV20 and NF. One day when I went to use it, I had a No SRC message on NF screen. What I discovered is that the order of bootup is important for some reason. If I already have the NF booted before plugging in the HDMI cable, I get the error. But as long as I have already turned on the HV20 and have all the HDMI cables plugged in, then boot the NF, I get a signal.

Try that and see if it works for you.

Dan, any idea why I'm experiencing this? I've had that issue before when connecting my computer to a FW device but never had issues with HDMI connections. Can you recreate this in your test labs? To get the error all I have to to is have the NF already booted before connecting the HDMI or if the cables are all connected and the NF is on, but the HV20 is not turned on yet, when I turn on the HV20 it is not recognized.

I'd be interested to hear if that's the case for others.

With my EX3 and SDI connection I have no problems and it doesn't matter what order I connect/turn on thing in.

-Garrett

Peter Moretti · January 20th, 2011, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Dommermuth

H Alan,
Thanks for the suggestion but that was the first thing I checked.

Also don't be ashamed of hooking your HV40 to the nano that is a 1080 422 singnal

coming out of the HDMI port.

The reason I do it is because my EX1 is to heavy for my Merlin, and I hat having to capture

from tape.

Rob,

Would you care to comment on how the HV40 nano files look compared to EX-1 native or nano files?

Thanks much!

January 13th, 2011, 06:42 AM	#1
Ronald Jackson Major Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southport, United Kingdom Posts: 723	nanoFlash and HV20 Apart from connecting via HDMI cable is there anything else I need to do? How about timecode and audio? Extra cables needed with my XLH1. Ron

January 13th, 2011, 10:39 AM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Ron, You just need a HDMI cable, Type A to Type C. Type A is the regular large connector Type C is the mini HDMI connector HDMI does not carry timecode, and the HV20 does not output timecode but it does output audio. There are all different quality HDMI cables. Type A to Type C cables are harder to find. The ones that nanoFlash.net - Free Express Shipping*with purchase of nanoFlashOrder online or email rick@nanoflash.net sells have proven to be better than most. These are the same that Convergent Design used to sell individually to our dealers. These are the ones that are included in our nanoFlash bundle. Other dealers may have these quality Type A to Type C cables. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 17th, 2011, 08:53 AM	#4
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rafael, The Canon HV20 uses a Type A (Large) HDMI connector. We include a Type A to Type C HDMI cable in our nanoFlash Bundle, and these cables are available at nanoFlash.net and other dealers, of course, sell them also. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 17th, 2011, 08:10 PM	#6
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rob, That is a tough one. Are you using to the same HDMI cable when you hook it up to your TV? I assume not, as the HV20 to nanoFlash cable has to be Type A to Type C. While the HDMI cable to your TV would normally be a Type A to Type A cable. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 19th, 2011, 08:45 AM	#10
Alan Emery Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Janetville Ontario Canada Posts: 210	Hi Rob, Too bad -- I was hoping it would be easy. Here's one other thought. I have found that the order of connecting things makes a difference. If you have the camera on and hook up the nanoflash with the HDMI cable already in place, they won't communicate. Instead try getting everything hooked up with the camera on and the nanoflash on but not seeing the camera. Then leave the camera on, and turn the nanoflash off, then on again. Depending on the model, it may mean disconnecting the battery. If that doesn't work try it the other way around (nanoflash on and turn the camera off then on). I also find it takes a moment or two (can be 10 seconds) for the two to complete the handshake. By the way, I agree that the images from the HV40 into the nanoflash are amazingly good if the light is just right (not too contrasty and not too dark) and it is so nice not to have to deal with the tape. Good luck, Alan Last edited by Alan Emery; January 19th, 2011 at 09:26 AM. Reason: Fuzzy brain from the flu had the camera at on then off ...duh

January 16th, 2011, 07:31 AM	#3
Rafael Amador Major Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vientiane (Lao PDR) Posts: 349	I think what Ron needs is a Type C to Type C ( Mini to Mini) to connect that camera to the NANO. Not that easy to find. rafael

January 17th, 2011, 07:20 PM	#5
Rob Dommermuth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 26	Dan is correct, The HV20 uses the Type A to Type C HDMI cable I have an HV20 but the nano flash can't see it any more. I also have a CD Nano Connect hooked to a Black Magic Multi-Bridge Ext, that also can't see the HV20 Yet when I hook it up to a TV via HDMI it plays fine If any one has any ideas I would appreciate it.

January 18th, 2011, 04:53 PM	#7
Rob Dommermuth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 26	Hi Dan, Yes you are correct I am using a different cable to the TV , I tried 3 different HDMI cables so I don't think it's the cable. I personally think it the HV20, probably a voltage thing, because I hook up my Sony V1U via HDMI to the Nano and it had no problem seeing it. I just thought I'd ask, maybe someone else had the same problem. Thanks

January 18th, 2011, 05:42 PM	#8
Alan Emery Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Janetville Ontario Canada Posts: 210	Hi Rob, I realize this is an obvious item, so it is probably not the issue, but I thought I would throw it out there nonetheless. I would never have dared make this suggestion except that I have done it myself! I sometimes hook an HV40 (similar to HV20) to a nanoflash. I am embarrassed to say that on occasion I have made the mistake of sticking the HDMI cable (small connector end) into the wrong plug on the nanoflash. The writing is very small on the nano and I have a little trouble seeing which is in and which is out. There is only one plug on the HV40 so I can't go wrong at that end. Hope you find the answer soon, Alan

January 19th, 2011, 07:43 AM	#9
Rob Dommermuth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 26	H Alan, Thanks for the suggestion but that was the first thing I checked. Also don't be ashamed of hooking your HV40 to the nano that is a 1080 422 singnal coming out of the HDMI port. The reason I do it is because my EX1 is to heavy for my Merlin, and I hat having to capture from tape.

January 19th, 2011, 08:47 AM	#11
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rob, I have no idea why your nanoFlash works properly with another HDMI camera and not your HV20. We use the HV30 in our lab all of the time. What frame rate are you using? Have you tried 1080i59.94 (which may be listed as 1080i60 in the camera)? __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 19th, 2011, 10:51 AM	#12
Rafael Amador Major Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vientiane (Lao PDR) Posts: 349	Did you selected "HDMI IN" on the NANO? By default the NANO is set for SDI IN. Rafael

January 19th, 2011, 08:45 PM	#13
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rob, Luben has suggested that you try turning off Video\|E to E Direct. If you have it off, try turning it on. Thanks for the suggestion Luben. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 19th, 2011, 11:00 PM	#14
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	Hi Ronald, I was having the same issue with my HV20 and NF. One day when I went to use it, I had a No SRC message on NF screen. What I discovered is that the order of bootup is important for some reason. If I already have the NF booted before plugging in the HDMI cable, I get the error. But as long as I have already turned on the HV20 and have all the HDMI cables plugged in, then boot the NF, I get a signal. Try that and see if it works for you. Dan, any idea why I'm experiencing this? I've had that issue before when connecting my computer to a FW device but never had issues with HDMI connections. Can you recreate this in your test labs? To get the error all I have to to is have the NF already booted before connecting the HDMI or if the cables are all connected and the NF is on, but the HV20 is not turned on yet, when I turn on the HV20 it is not recognized. I'd be interested to hear if that's the case for others. With my EX3 and SDI connection I have no problems and it doesn't matter what order I connect/turn on thing in. -Garrett __________________ Garrett Low www.GLowMediaProductions.com