Requesting FeedBack on 1.6.245 at DVinfo.net

Dan Keaton · January 4th, 2011, 08:43 PM

Dear Friends,

Our latest Public Beta for the nanoFlash is 1.6.245 and we have a Flash XDR version out also, 1.5.92

We are requesting feed back on these releases.

In 1.6.245, with certain Delkin 450x cards, our MPG does not work properly.

We have made a change to support these cards in MPG mode.

In general, we are very pleased with these releases.

But, we need feedback from those who are using or have tested these releases.

We are very close to releasing a Production Level release, but we just want more feedback.

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, if only to say "It works for me".

Billy Steinberg · January 4th, 2011, 10:43 PM

The nano has been velcro'ed to the wall next to me, running off it's AC adapter, recording standard 1080i 29.97 the past week. 100Mb Long GOP to Transcend 64GB 400x cards, and one 32GB 400x Transcend card, which I've been using at 280Mb IFrame. SDI in and out. Embedded audio, sometimes 2 channels, sometimes 8 channels. Timecode is generated locally (in the nano), set to free run, synced to time of day and drop frame. Recording into mov containers. Primarily as a record machine, but some playback as well, mostly to check clips after the fact. Nothing plugged into the nano accessory port; everything is done from the front panel. (I still want you to put in a delay when pushing the stop button while the nano is recording, but that's for another thread). No timecode triggering, no cranking of any kind, no progressive segmented frames, embedded or otherwise.

The Transcend cards (32&64GB 400x) seem to hold up just fine at 280Mb, by the way, in both record and playback. I'm only using the 280Mb IFrame for the test signals card I carry with the nano (which turns it into a great test signal generator).

It all seems to be working as advertised. When recording, the "close file by pressing record once" works, as does the "skip to next card by pressing record twice". I have not had a chance to test hot swapping while in record yet. There was one time when one of the 64GB cards I inserted wasn't recognized, but a power cycle "fixed" things. I think this only happens when I'm first powering up the unit and putting both cards in almost simultaneously. I think the nano may be busy figuring out what just got put into slot one, and misses that something was also just put into slot two. Or not. I think it happened to me once before eons ago (over a year ago).

Billy

Garrett Low · January 4th, 2011, 11:46 PM

I'm using my nanoFlash with the latest Beta release. Signal from a Sony EX3 using Transcend 64GB cards. I've tested 50Mbps and 100Mbps L-GOP and 220Mbps and 280Mbps I-frame. No problems so far.

I do want to test it with a Canon HV20 using the HDMI input but haven't gotten around to that yet.

Cheers and thanks for the great work,
-Garrett

Dan Keaton · January 5th, 2011, 03:38 AM

Dear Billy and Garrett,

Thank you both for the detailed feedback.

Pushing two CompactFlash cards in simultaneously may cause problems.

We just recommend putting in one card at a time, one does not have to wait long, just push one in, then the second one.

Rob Dommermuth · January 5th, 2011, 06:41 PM

I have just installed 1.6.245 and I am having audio sync problems there is a 3 to 4 second delay

I have an EX-1 set to 24p , I am monitoring audio from the nano and getting little to no delay, it is only

when I record that the delay happens

should I roll back to an older update

Dan Keaton · January 5th, 2011, 06:48 PM

Dear Rob,

Where do you see the delay, in the headphones while recording
or in the files when you take then into a Non-Linear Editor?

We will attempt to duplicate this in our lab.

Thanks for posting the details: EX1 in 24p mode.

Could you please create a settings file for us:

Format a card, then navigate to

System|Create Settings.txt

Then press the right arrow, then press Ok.

Then email the files to CDSupport (at) convergent-design (dot) com

We will check out your settings, and test in our lab.

Rob Dommermuth · January 5th, 2011, 06:59 PM

Hi Dan,

I have only played it back from the nano to my IKEAN monitor .

I have not put it through my NLE yet.

Could this be the problem.

Dan Keaton · January 5th, 2011, 07:05 PM

Dear Rob,

I am very surprised that the audio is out of sync in playback from the nanoFlash.

Yes, you can go back to a previous release.

If you are using Delkin 450x cards, you will need to stay on one of our latest releases, 1.6.245 or higher.

I have alerted our labs.

Rob Dommermuth · January 5th, 2011, 07:17 PM

Dan,

I just played the clip on my Mac and there was no delay

so it must be only on play back from the nano

I shot this clip at 18mbs longop

and why I have you I just got the remote trigger and I was wondering what the proper procedure was

because the trigger starts the recording fine, but when I try to stop recording I find I have to hold the button

down for about 3 seconds before it stops the recording.

Is this normal

Dan Keaton · January 5th, 2011, 07:46 PM

Dear Rob,

The 18 Mbps may be a clue to the audio delay problem.

The remote control works like this (in normal mode):

Press the Remote Control button, the nanoFlash starts recording and the Tally Light comes on.

Press and hold the Remote Control button for 1 to 2 seconds, then release, then the nanoFlash stops recording.

This prevents any accidental depression of the Remote Control button from stopping a recording.

Dan Keaton · January 5th, 2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Steinberg

I still want you to put in a delay when pushing the stop button while the nano is recording.

We are trying to work in your request.

I am thinking that 1/2 second would be long enough to tell the difference between an accidental press of the Stop Button versus the intentional stopping of the recording.

Anthony McErlean · January 6th, 2011, 05:22 AM

Hi Dan,
I'm using the Delkin 32GB 450X CompactFlash Pro Cards in my NF version 1.6.245 recording mxf at 35Mbps and all, as far as I see is working well.

Is there a problem with the Delkin 450X cards with this beta version 1.6.245?

Thanks in advance.

Dan Keaton · January 6th, 2011, 07:15 AM

Dear Anthony,

No, the Delkin 420x and 450x cards work fine in the nanoFlash, with 1.6.245 in MOV (Quicktime) and MXF modes.

Only in MPG mode is there a problem.

And we have already modifed our code to work with the Delkin's in MPG mode, we just have not released the new version yet on a widespread basis.

Andy Mangrum · January 6th, 2011, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Dommermuth

having audio sync problems there is a 3 to 4 second delay

I have an EX-1 set to 24p , I am monitoring audio from the nano and getting little to no delay, it is only

when I record that the delay happens

should I roll back to an older update

Hello Rob,

When you experienced the audio delay were you recording 24psf out of the EX1 or were you recording 60i pull down 24, via the nanoFlash 3:2 Removal?

Also note for everyone you can insert two Compact Flash Cards Simultaneously because of HOT SWAP support :)

Best Regards

Anthony McErlean · January 6th, 2011, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Anthony,

No, the Delkin 420x and 450x cards work fine in the nanoFlash, with 1.6.245 in MOV (Quicktime) and MXF modes.

OK, thank you Dan.

January 4th, 2011, 08:43 PM	#1
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Requesting FeedBack on 1.6.245 Dear Friends, Our latest Public Beta for the nanoFlash is 1.6.245 and we have a Flash XDR version out also, 1.5.92 We are requesting feed back on these releases. In 1.6.245, with certain Delkin 450x cards, our MPG does not work properly. We have made a change to support these cards in MPG mode. In general, we are very pleased with these releases. But, we need feedback from those who are using or have tested these releases. We are very close to releasing a Production Level release, but we just want more feedback. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, if only to say "It works for me". __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia Last edited by Dan Keaton; January 5th, 2011 at 09:23 AM.

January 4th, 2011, 10:43 PM	#2
Billy Steinberg Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 121	Works for me The nano has been velcro'ed to the wall next to me, running off it's AC adapter, recording standard 1080i 29.97 the past week. 100Mb Long GOP to Transcend 64GB 400x cards, and one 32GB 400x Transcend card, which I've been using at 280Mb IFrame. SDI in and out. Embedded audio, sometimes 2 channels, sometimes 8 channels. Timecode is generated locally (in the nano), set to free run, synced to time of day and drop frame. Recording into mov containers. Primarily as a record machine, but some playback as well, mostly to check clips after the fact. Nothing plugged into the nano accessory port; everything is done from the front panel. (I still want you to put in a delay when pushing the stop button while the nano is recording, but that's for another thread). No timecode triggering, no cranking of any kind, no progressive segmented frames, embedded or otherwise. The Transcend cards (32&64GB 400x) seem to hold up just fine at 280Mb, by the way, in both record and playback. I'm only using the 280Mb IFrame for the test signals card I carry with the nano (which turns it into a great test signal generator). It all seems to be working as advertised. When recording, the "close file by pressing record once" works, as does the "skip to next card by pressing record twice". I have not had a chance to test hot swapping while in record yet. There was one time when one of the 64GB cards I inserted wasn't recognized, but a power cycle "fixed" things. I think this only happens when I'm first powering up the unit and putting both cards in almost simultaneously. I think the nano may be busy figuring out what just got put into slot one, and misses that something was also just put into slot two. Or not. I think it happened to me once before eons ago (over a year ago). Billy

January 4th, 2011, 11:46 PM	#3
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	I'm using my nanoFlash with the latest Beta release. Signal from a Sony EX3 using Transcend 64GB cards. I've tested 50Mbps and 100Mbps L-GOP and 220Mbps and 280Mbps I-frame. No problems so far. I do want to test it with a Canon HV20 using the HDMI input but haven't gotten around to that yet. Cheers and thanks for the great work, -Garrett __________________ Garrett Low www.GLowMediaProductions.com

January 5th, 2011, 03:38 AM	#4
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Billy and Garrett, Thank you both for the detailed feedback. Pushing two CompactFlash cards in simultaneously may cause problems. We just recommend putting in one card at a time, one does not have to wait long, just push one in, then the second one. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 5th, 2011, 06:41 PM	#5
Rob Dommermuth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 26	audio delay I have just installed 1.6.245 and I am having audio sync problems there is a 3 to 4 second delay I have an EX-1 set to 24p , I am monitoring audio from the nano and getting little to no delay, it is only when I record that the delay happens should I roll back to an older update

January 5th, 2011, 06:48 PM	#6
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rob, Where do you see the delay, in the headphones while recording or in the files when you take then into a Non-Linear Editor? We will attempt to duplicate this in our lab. Thanks for posting the details: EX1 in 24p mode. Could you please create a settings file for us: Format a card, then navigate to System\|Create Settings.txt Then press the right arrow, then press Ok. Then email the files to CDSupport (at) convergent-design (dot) com We will check out your settings, and test in our lab. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 5th, 2011, 06:59 PM	#7
Rob Dommermuth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 26	audio delay prob Hi Dan, I have only played it back from the nano to my IKEAN monitor . I have not put it through my NLE yet. Could this be the problem.

January 5th, 2011, 07:05 PM	#8
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rob, I am very surprised that the audio is out of sync in playback from the nanoFlash. Yes, you can go back to a previous release. If you are using Delkin 450x cards, you will need to stay on one of our latest releases, 1.6.245 or higher. I have alerted our labs. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia Last edited by Dan Keaton; January 6th, 2011 at 12:20 PM.

January 5th, 2011, 07:17 PM	#9
Rob Dommermuth Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 26	Dan, I just played the clip on my Mac and there was no delay so it must be only on play back from the nano I shot this clip at 18mbs longop and why I have you I just got the remote trigger and I was wondering what the proper procedure was because the trigger starts the recording fine, but when I try to stop recording I find I have to hold the button down for about 3 seconds before it stops the recording. Is this normal

January 5th, 2011, 07:46 PM	#10
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rob, The 18 Mbps may be a clue to the audio delay problem. The remote control works like this (in normal mode): Press the Remote Control button, the nanoFlash starts recording and the Tally Light comes on. Press and hold the Remote Control button for 1 to 2 seconds, then release, then the nanoFlash stops recording. This prevents any accidental depression of the Remote Control button from stopping a recording. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 6th, 2011, 05:22 AM	#12
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,081	Hi Dan, I'm using the Delkin 32GB 450X CompactFlash Pro Cards in my NF version 1.6.245 recording mxf at 35Mbps and all, as far as I see is working well. Is there a problem with the Delkin 450X cards with this beta version 1.6.245? Thanks in advance.

January 6th, 2011, 07:15 AM	#13
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Anthony, No, the Delkin 420x and 450x cards work fine in the nanoFlash, with 1.6.245 in MOV (Quicktime) and MXF modes. Only in MPG mode is there a problem. And we have already modifed our code to work with the Delkin's in MPG mode, we just have not released the new version yet on a widespread basis. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia