Sony NEX-VG10 + NanoFlash?

Terrance Odette · November 21st, 2010, 01:53 PM

I am sending it this afternoon. It's in the original codec that the NF captured.
Terry

Jason Burkhimer · November 21st, 2010, 07:50 PM

Hey Terrence, i am considering a nanoflash purchase to complement my VG10. Could you send me a yousendit link to me as well? I would love to take a look at the footage you shot. If so, my email is:

jburkhimer1@cox.net

Thanks!!

-burk

Terrance Odette · November 22nd, 2010, 07:16 AM

Jason
I will send it along. This ftg is limited. and at 25p. I used it to check out aliasing and morie in the field not the lab.
Terry

Terrance Odette · November 22nd, 2010, 07:23 AM

For anyone else here is the "yousendit" link it's big over 500 mb. I don't know if this works, just pasting the link. It will be up for 14 days.

Link to file:
https://download.yousendit.com/cEd2NnFEVEh6RTljR0E9PQ

Gerardo Campos · December 31st, 2010, 08:48 AM

I runing many test with my new NEX-VG10 and Nanoflash, they comunicated perfect. The best performance betwen is to put the Nanoflash in PSF progress check: yes; and the nanoflash recognized the signal as 29,97p not 59i; then undercrank to 24p, then you have a beatifull 24p from your Nex-VG10 in the nanoflash quality.
www.gecofilms.cl

Dan Keaton · December 31st, 2010, 09:58 AM

Dear Gerardo,

Thank you very much for posting your results.

I am assuming that the HDMI output is clean and you like the qualiity of the images produced by the Sony NEX-VG10 camera + nanoFlash.

This means that, the NEX-VG10 with the nanoFlash, one can record in

1080p24 (23.976p),
1080p30 (29.97p) and
1080i60 (1080i59.94)

If the camera also supports 1080i50, then the camera + nanoFlash will be able to record

1080i50 and
1080p25 and
other frame rates.

Since you were using Over and Under-Cranking to achive 24p, you may not have audio.

If you record 1080p30 (1080p29.97) without Over and Under-Cranking, then you will have audio.

In our Over and Under-Cranking modes, we support audio at certain crank rates, but not all.

In our PSF to Progressive modes, we support audio in every case.

Terrance Odette · January 1st, 2011, 08:13 AM

Gerardo and Dan
This great news. Sounds like I jumped the gun buying the 50i/25p Vg10. However, do you think I could get 23.98 or 24p buy undercranking on the nanoflash? BTW I love the image you get with VG10 - nanoflash and good old prime lens with adapter. Closest I have seen to super16 or 3 perf-35 at an indie budget. And alot lighter than an Arri 2C.

Dan Keaton · January 1st, 2011, 08:32 AM

Dear Terrance,

Yes, I think you can get 1080p24 from your 1080i50 version of the NEX-VG10.

I do not think you can get 1080p23.976 by using our undercranking feature, however, just 1080p24.

We would have to test this to be certain.

The other question is whether we would have audio or not.

Terrance Odette · January 1st, 2011, 08:44 AM

Dan
Thanks. I will give it go. I had planned to shoot at 25p and then in post slow down to 24p and do the 4% audio adjust to get the sync and pitch. It work with my last feature and the Europeans have been doing it for years. However getting 24p would be the ticket. As the audio when under or over-cranking: does the audio just dis-engage?
Terry

Dan Keaton · January 1st, 2011, 08:51 AM

Dear Terrance,

We only support audio in a few crank options.

I need to discuss this with our Chief Engineer.

Each and every cranking combination (Base Frame Rate + Crank Rate) requires special code in the nanoFlash to support audio.

We may, in the future, be able to support more of the popular combinations with audio.
This is not a promise at this time.

To answer your question, "Does the Audio Just Disengage":
I think this depends on the combination.
I will have to get some more information from our lab before I can answer your question accurately.

Gerardo Campos · January 3rd, 2011, 05:31 PM

Dear Dan and Terrance

hey, vg10 + nanoflash are a great companion togeter:

I just confirm that the signal is precompretion in a chroma key test; and you can pull out 24p from your vg10 in the nanoflash, you have to turn on the PSF recording mode in the nanoflash and then undercracking to 24p 24, and the audio is sincronic too.
www.gecofilms.cl

Terrance Odette · January 3rd, 2011, 09:53 PM

Gerardo
Did you get any sense of how much it is pre-compressing, like HDCAM? Your end result, they are Progressive Segmented Frames then?
Terry

Dan Keaton · January 4th, 2011, 01:24 AM

Dear Terrance,

While I am not in Chile performing the tests with Gerardo, I am certain that the output of the NEX-VG10 is Progressive Segmented Frames

Terrance Odette · January 4th, 2011, 06:20 AM

I read Gerardo email wrong, so that's great - PSF 24P, precompressed and good chance of audio sync. For the price and knowing how Sony is a bit tight with features, the camera with the feature packed nano is a great deal!

Terrance Odette · January 4th, 2011, 06:24 AM

Gerardo, what are you thinking of using for a field monitor? Bought a lower end 7" marshal but not the greatest. Are you going to look at the Redrock or Zacuto EVF when they get out?
Terry

November 21st, 2010, 01:53 PM	#31
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	ftg I am sending it this afternoon. It's in the original codec that the NF captured. Terry

November 22nd, 2010, 07:16 AM	#33
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	NEX VG10E to NANOFLASH FTG Jason I will send it along. This ftg is limited. and at 25p. I used it to check out aliasing and morie in the field not the lab. Terry

November 22nd, 2010, 07:23 AM	#34
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	NEX VG10E to NANOFLASH FTG For anyone else here is the "yousendit" link it's big over 500 mb. I don't know if this works, just pasting the link. It will be up for 14 days. Link to file: https://download.yousendit.com/cEd2NnFEVEh6RTljR0E9PQ

December 31st, 2010, 08:48 AM	#35
Gerardo Campos Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: santiago Chile Posts: 28	nanoflash + nex-vg10 I runing many test with my new NEX-VG10 and Nanoflash, they comunicated perfect. The best performance betwen is to put the Nanoflash in PSF progress check: yes; and the nanoflash recognized the signal as 29,97p not 59i; then undercrank to 24p, then you have a beatifull 24p from your Nex-VG10 in the nanoflash quality. www.gecofilms.cl

December 31st, 2010, 09:58 AM	#36
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Gerardo, Thank you very much for posting your results. I am assuming that the HDMI output is clean and you like the qualiity of the images produced by the Sony NEX-VG10 camera + nanoFlash. This means that, the NEX-VG10 with the nanoFlash, one can record in 1080p24 (23.976p), 1080p30 (29.97p) and 1080i60 (1080i59.94) If the camera also supports 1080i50, then the camera + nanoFlash will be able to record 1080i50 and 1080p25 and other frame rates. Since you were using Over and Under-Cranking to achive 24p, you may not have audio. If you record 1080p30 (1080p29.97) without Over and Under-Cranking, then you will have audio. In our Over and Under-Cranking modes, we support audio at certain crank rates, but not all. In our PSF to Progressive modes, we support audio in every case. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

November 21st, 2010, 07:50 PM	#32
Jason Burkhimer Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 220	Hey Terrence, i am considering a nanoflash purchase to complement my VG10. Could you send me a yousendit link to me as well? I would love to take a look at the footage you shot. If so, my email is: jburkhimer1@cox.net Thanks!! -burk

January 1st, 2011, 08:13 AM	#37
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	Gerardo and Dan This great news. Sounds like I jumped the gun buying the 50i/25p Vg10. However, do you think I could get 23.98 or 24p buy undercranking on the nanoflash? BTW I love the image you get with VG10 - nanoflash and good old prime lens with adapter. Closest I have seen to super16 or 3 perf-35 at an indie budget. And alot lighter than an Arri 2C.

January 1st, 2011, 08:32 AM	#38
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Terrance, Yes, I think you can get 1080p24 from your 1080i50 version of the NEX-VG10. I do not think you can get 1080p23.976 by using our undercranking feature, however, just 1080p24. We would have to test this to be certain. The other question is whether we would have audio or not. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 1st, 2011, 08:44 AM	#39
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	Dan Thanks. I will give it go. I had planned to shoot at 25p and then in post slow down to 24p and do the 4% audio adjust to get the sync and pitch. It work with my last feature and the Europeans have been doing it for years. However getting 24p would be the ticket. As the audio when under or over-cranking: does the audio just dis-engage? Terry

January 1st, 2011, 08:51 AM	#40
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Terrance, We only support audio in a few crank options. I need to discuss this with our Chief Engineer. Each and every cranking combination (Base Frame Rate + Crank Rate) requires special code in the nanoFlash to support audio. We may, in the future, be able to support more of the popular combinations with audio. This is not a promise at this time. To answer your question, "Does the Audio Just Disengage": I think this depends on the combination. I will have to get some more information from our lab before I can answer your question accurately. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 3rd, 2011, 05:31 PM	#41
Gerardo Campos Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: santiago Chile Posts: 28	nanoflash + nex-vg10 Dear Dan and Terrance hey, vg10 + nanoflash are a great companion togeter: test nanoflash + nex-vg10 on Vimeo I just confirm that the signal is precompretion in a chroma key test; and you can pull out 24p from your vg10 in the nanoflash, you have to turn on the PSF recording mode in the nanoflash and then undercracking to 24p 24, and the audio is sincronic too. www.gecofilms.cl

January 3rd, 2011, 09:53 PM	#42
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	Gerardo Did you get any sense of how much it is pre-compressing, like HDCAM? Your end result, they are Progressive Segmented Frames then? Terry

January 4th, 2011, 01:24 AM	#43
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Terrance, While I am not in Chile performing the tests with Gerardo, I am certain that the output of the NEX-VG10 is Progressive Segmented Frames __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 4th, 2011, 06:20 AM	#44
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	I read Gerardo email wrong, so that's great - PSF 24P, precompressed and good chance of audio sync. For the price and knowing how Sony is a bit tight with features, the camera with the feature packed nano is a great deal!

January 4th, 2011, 06:24 AM	#45
Terrance Odette Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hamilton Posts: 29	EVU or LCD monitor Gerardo, what are you thinking of using for a field monitor? Bought a lower end 7" marshal but not the greatest. Are you going to look at the Redrock or Zacuto EVF when they get out? Terry