Problem importing MXF files to CS5 at DVinfo.net

Ari Kesti · May 10th, 2010, 01:24 PM

Hi

I have downloaded the trial version of Premiere Pro CS5 and when i import MXF 100 Mbps NanoFlash files they show up as sound files. I can play them within the editor but only sound and no picture is seen. The files are also identified as sound files with the small loud speaker next to the file name.

The files where imported on a XP x32 computer and then transferred to Win 7 x64.
The files plays fine in Sony XDCAM viewer. I have tried to reinstall PP-CS5 but that didn't help.

Any suggestions on what might be wrong?

//Ari

Dan Keaton · May 10th, 2010, 05:42 PM

Dear Ari,

It is my understanding that the initial release of CS5 has a problem with our files.

We understand that Adobe is working on this and it will be fixed by CS 5.1.

Ari Kesti · May 11th, 2010, 03:03 AM

Thank you for quick answer.
I still have CS4 to work on so i am fine until they release 5.1.

//Ari

Dan Keaton · May 11th, 2010, 07:38 AM

Dear Ari,

CS3/CS4 do not natively support Sony XDCam 4:2:2 files, thus do not support our 4:2:2 files either.

However, the MainConcept Codec is available which supports our files.

David Cherniack · May 11th, 2010, 08:58 AM

There are two issues that Ari is experiencing:

1/ As Dan outlined CS5 has an issue with C-D files. It doesn't decode the audio properly, nor read the timecode. However it does see the picture properly. Ari is not seeing it because:

2/ The trial version of CS5 does not support mpeg2 files because of licensing costs.

Otherwise CS5 really rocks. For those who haven't tried it, even without a CUDA supported card, the new Mercury engine under 64 bits puts other NLEs to shame performance wise. Unfortunately the trial is to crippled because of the licensing issues to really show it off. But in this version Adobe really took a giant leap forward speed and stability.

David

Steve Kalle · May 19th, 2010, 10:21 PM

Dan, so are you saying that C-D MXF files do not work in CS5?

David Cherniack · May 19th, 2010, 11:06 PM

They will work in an update.

William Urschel · May 20th, 2010, 05:27 AM

Dear Ari:

Well, I have the full version of CS5 Production Premium, and for the time being, and perhaps forever, have given up on ANY version of Premier Pro, CS3, 4, or 5. I am now just beginning to learn Vegas Pro 8 (Pro 9 evidently turns the initial couple of frames green with a non I-Frame import), am editing in it, rendering out with an AVI wrapper, and am successfully then using CS5 Media Encoder and CS5 Encore.

Evidently there is something radically wrong with my computer, which causes really bizarre results in attempting to use Premiere CS4 with the Main Concept plug in, or in attempting to use Premiere CS5.

I have a Boxx 4850, i7 overclocked to 4 G, NVidia Quadro CX (one of the "approved" cards for Premiere CS5), 6 G RAM, and two hard drives, with data on a RAID 0. I tried out Premiere CS4, on a totally clean reinstall of Vista Ultimate and all programs, but quit it after all imports of nanofiles showed up with both audio and video in the video timeline. Then I did another complete clean reinstall of EVERYTHING on the same computer, WIN 7 Ultimate (64 bit), Adobe Production Premium CS5, etc., and had the same abomination, EXCEPT now, my in my uneditable audio (except taking it into Soundbooth), one of the two audio channels lags the other - this is what is "supposed" to be fixed by Adobe, when and as they get around to it, in their next version. Haven't we all been through this before?

In any event, all versions, including Premiere CS5 appear to work flawlessly for me in handling the normal output of my Sony EX1. But the picture from the nanoFlash is just so stunningly superior to the SxS collected output of the EX1, that I am not willing to give up nano. Soooooo, even though the export from Vegas Pro 8 is horrendously slow, that is what I'm using, and that is what works for me.

David Cherniack · May 20th, 2010, 06:13 AM

William,

I have the same problem but have solved it differently. Rather than sacrifice the fantastic speed advantage of Pr CS5 I'm editing with my backup EX files as proxies. When the edit is complete I'll replace the EX material with the nanoFlash match. I don't think the Premiere update with the CD files fix will be too long coming. As well Pr handles the EX files beautifully, concatenating all the long take clips into a single clip on import, something that can't be done with CD files because they don't write the metadata info to do it. Editing with the EX files as proxies also gives the advantage of access to all the RT CUDA effects. When the CD files replace the EX proxies the effects will automatically be applied, again without the need to render or change anything.

David

Steve Kalle · May 20th, 2010, 10:55 AM

To fix the audio issue, can't you remove the nano audio and replace with the SxS audio?

David Cherniack · May 20th, 2010, 05:26 PM

"To fix the audio issue, can't you remove the nano audio and replace with the SxS audio? "

You could but depending on the number of clips that may not be practical. In my case with 500+ clips it's not. As well, it would mean treating each series of concatenated clips as a sub-timeline which might be a mixed blessing. I haven't played with sub timelines for a few versions, but there were always issues that cropped up with them in the past. Whether they've all been fixed in cS5 is hard to say at this point.

May 10th, 2010, 01:24 PM	#1
Ari Kesti New Boot Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 5	Problem importing MXF files to CS5 Hi I have downloaded the trial version of Premiere Pro CS5 and when i import MXF 100 Mbps NanoFlash files they show up as sound files. I can play them within the editor but only sound and no picture is seen. The files are also identified as sound files with the small loud speaker next to the file name. The files where imported on a XP x32 computer and then transferred to Win 7 x64. The files plays fine in Sony XDCAM viewer. I have tried to reinstall PP-CS5 but that didn't help. Any suggestions on what might be wrong? //Ari

May 10th, 2010, 05:42 PM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Ari, It is my understanding that the initial release of CS5 has a problem with our files. We understand that Adobe is working on this and it will be fixed by CS 5.1. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

May 11th, 2010, 07:38 AM	#4
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Ari, CS3/CS4 do not natively support Sony XDCam 4:2:2 files, thus do not support our 4:2:2 files either. However, the MainConcept Codec is available which supports our files. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

May 20th, 2010, 05:27 AM	#8
William Urschel Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bee Cave, Texas Posts: 151	Dear Ari: Well, I have the full version of CS5 Production Premium, and for the time being, and perhaps forever, have given up on ANY version of Premier Pro, CS3, 4, or 5. I am now just beginning to learn Vegas Pro 8 (Pro 9 evidently turns the initial couple of frames green with a non I-Frame import), am editing in it, rendering out with an AVI wrapper, and am successfully then using CS5 Media Encoder and CS5 Encore. Evidently there is something radically wrong with my computer, which causes really bizarre results in attempting to use Premiere CS4 with the Main Concept plug in, or in attempting to use Premiere CS5. I have a Boxx 4850, i7 overclocked to 4 G, NVidia Quadro CX (one of the "approved" cards for Premiere CS5), 6 G RAM, and two hard drives, with data on a RAID 0. I tried out Premiere CS4, on a totally clean reinstall of Vista Ultimate and all programs, but quit it after all imports of nanofiles showed up with both audio and video in the video timeline. Then I did another complete clean reinstall of EVERYTHING on the same computer, WIN 7 Ultimate (64 bit), Adobe Production Premium CS5, etc., and had the same abomination, EXCEPT now, my in my uneditable audio (except taking it into Soundbooth), one of the two audio channels lags the other - this is what is "supposed" to be fixed by Adobe, when and as they get around to it, in their next version. Haven't we all been through this before? In any event, all versions, including Premiere CS5 appear to work flawlessly for me in handling the normal output of my Sony EX1. But the picture from the nanoFlash is just so stunningly superior to the SxS collected output of the EX1, that I am not willing to give up nano. Soooooo, even though the export from Vegas Pro 8 is horrendously slow, that is what I'm using, and that is what works for me. Last edited by William Urschel; May 20th, 2010 at 05:32 AM. Reason: Poor Grammer!

May 11th, 2010, 03:03 AM	#3
Ari Kesti New Boot Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 5	Thank you for quick answer. I still have CS4 to work on so i am fine until they release 5.1. //Ari

May 11th, 2010, 08:58 AM	#5
David Cherniack Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 186	There are two issues that Ari is experiencing: 1/ As Dan outlined CS5 has an issue with C-D files. It doesn't decode the audio properly, nor read the timecode. However it does see the picture properly. Ari is not seeing it because: 2/ The trial version of CS5 does not support mpeg2 files because of licensing costs. Otherwise CS5 really rocks. For those who haven't tried it, even without a CUDA supported card, the new Mercury engine under 64 bits puts other NLEs to shame performance wise. Unfortunately the trial is to crippled because of the licensing issues to really show it off. But in this version Adobe really took a giant leap forward speed and stability. David

May 19th, 2010, 10:21 PM	#6
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Dan, so are you saying that C-D MXF files do not work in CS5?

May 19th, 2010, 11:06 PM	#7
David Cherniack Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 186	They will work in an update.

May 20th, 2010, 06:13 AM	#9
David Cherniack Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 186	William, I have the same problem but have solved it differently. Rather than sacrifice the fantastic speed advantage of Pr CS5 I'm editing with my backup EX files as proxies. When the edit is complete I'll replace the EX material with the nanoFlash match. I don't think the Premiere update with the CD files fix will be too long coming. As well Pr handles the EX files beautifully, concatenating all the long take clips into a single clip on import, something that can't be done with CD files because they don't write the metadata info to do it. Editing with the EX files as proxies also gives the advantage of access to all the RT CUDA effects. When the CD files replace the EX proxies the effects will automatically be applied, again without the need to render or change anything. David

May 20th, 2010, 10:55 AM	#10
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	To fix the audio issue, can't you remove the nano audio and replace with the SxS audio?

May 20th, 2010, 05:26 PM	#11
David Cherniack Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 186	"To fix the audio issue, can't you remove the nano audio and replace with the SxS audio? " You could but depending on the number of clips that may not be practical. In my case with 500+ clips it's not. As well, it would mean treating each series of concatenated clips as a sub-timeline which might be a mixed blessing. I haven't played with sub timelines for a few versions, but there were always issues that cropped up with them in the past. Whether they've all been fixed in cS5 is hard to say at this point.