Second Public Beta Discussion Area

Clarke Thomas · March 30th, 2010, 11:55 AM

I have done a short test, and all looks good with the .mpg system. Going on a flight now to do an extended test. Thank you,
Clarke Thomas

Clarke Thomas · March 30th, 2010, 02:34 PM

Just completed a flight on some electric line ROW with the Beta 1.5.126. The video looks very clean, and both audio tracks are also clean and clear. Recording using Sony HD camera and .mpg format at 35 mbs over HDMI, with analog audio input. All Thumbs UP from me! Thanks for the fixes to the CD team.

Dan Keaton · March 30th, 2010, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Job

Hi Dan:
Can you give an ETA on when the XDR 2nd public beta will be released ?

Dear Mark,

Our testing team found a problem with the Flash XDR code in the Second Public Beta, thus we withheld posting it until the issue was resolved.

This does not affect the nanoFlash Second Public Beta in any way.

I do not have an ETA when the Flash XDR code will be ready, sorry.

Mark Job · March 30th, 2010, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Mark,

Our testing team found a problem with the Flash XDR code in the Second Public Beta, thus we withheld posting it until the issue was resolved.

This does not affect the nanoFlash Second Public Beta in any way.

I do not have an ETA when the Flash XDR code will be ready, sorry.

OK Dan. Thanks for the update :-)

Barry J. Weckesser · March 31st, 2010, 09:36 AM

I was wondering if anyone had tried out the new Nano beta with an EX1 with the new v. 1.20 firmware installed. I experience a 1-4 second delay in the Nano started to record once I press the camera record button. I have the Nano set to the new TC trigger setting. I also have prebuffer on (works the same without prebuffer) and am shooting at 1080 30P MXF at 100mbps.

Luben Izov · March 31st, 2010, 09:55 AM

Hi Barry,
I haven't try that, but trying to figure it out why that would be the case. Would you be able to post a print out of your settings? Also, a wild question, but could be an issue... Do you use a proper SDI cable or a RCA with BNC connections?
Other thing to try is restore to factory settings, power off and than redo yours ones again
hope that helps you
cheers

David Rogers · March 31st, 2010, 08:55 PM

Mark, us older timers (flash XDR owners) continue to languish in the midst of all the young upstarts (Nanoflash owners). Oh well.

David

Scott Stoneback · March 31st, 2010, 10:39 PM

Shot today using the new release. I like the menu changes.

I did have trouble getting the CF Cards to properly format today. I had both cards in, initiated the formatting, but error came up saying CF2 was unknown card (or something like that). Pulled the cards, put Card 2 into CF1, leaving CF2 empty, and still had "CF2 Unknown card" error. Reformatted once more and all seemed fine.

Cards are Delkin 64Gbs and work great. The card originally in CF2 was used to redo the firmware. I had deleted the firmware file from the card, on my pc, before attempting to reformat in Nano.

Dan Keaton · April 1st, 2010, 06:45 AM

Dear Scott,

If you put your cards in the nanoFlash now, and attempt to format them, do you get the error, or has the problem gone away?

Please feel free to call our office, 720-221-3861, and our Support Manager will be happy to assist. This is a number to our Colorado Springs office.

Mark Job · April 1st, 2010, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Rogers

Mark, us older timers (flash XDR owners) continue to languish in the midst of all the young upstarts (Nanoflash owners). Oh well.

David

...Hi David:
Yeah, I feel like an orphan :-( EDIT: That is, an orphan with nothing to test. No 2nd public beta for us :-(

Dan Keaton · April 1st, 2010, 07:15 AM

Dear David and Mark,

We had built a version, for release, for the Flash XDR and the nanoFlash on the same day.

Just before released both, our quality control testing found a problem with the Flash XDR version. So we did not release it. It could have been the other way around.

We are trying to find the problem then fix it.

Just as our Public Beta testers are testing the nanoFlash version, our quality control testers are testing it in our lab.

Mark Job · April 1st, 2010, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Rogers

Mark, us older timers (flash XDR owners) continue to languish in the midst of all the young upstarts (Nanoflash owners). Oh well.

David

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear David and Mark,

We had built a version, for release, for the Flash XDR and the nanoFlash on the same day.

Just before released both, our quality control testing found a problem with the Flash XDR version. So we did not release it. It could have been the other way around.

Hi Dan: Well, I'm certainly glad you folks at CD found the problem before releasing this beta-As opposed to us finding it instead, as you suggested. I'm hoping 24 F Jam-Sync and .MPG playback works flawlessly in the next beta release. I'm also hoping all general playback works perfectly, like it does on production release ver. 1.1.151. with all .mxf and .MOV files.

Andrew Stone · April 1st, 2010, 09:07 AM

I came across an odd problem recording in 720/30p on an EX3 the other day. The display on the nanoFlash showed it was recording in 720/60. Fine. I injested the material onto a Mac and dropped the first clip into the sequence in FCP to get the timeline to adjust to the parameters of the nanoFlash clip, as I usually do. Then I dropped in the remaining material, performed the edit, titling, transitions, no colour correction on this job as it was a quicky (but long) event video. Did a final render and then rendered (exported) out a ProRes version of the job to prep for Compressor. Threw the file into Compressor, crunched the material down for web delivery only to discover the video was exactly twice as long as the original video footage (you can see where I am going). Checked back in the timeline/sequence settings and noted that in the XDCAM EX 4:2:2 codec settings that 720/30p is not available.

Should we always be recording in camera at 720/60 when the end result we want is 720/30 and discard the duplicate frames in post or did I simply foul up somewhere?

EDIT:

I think I found some pertinent information on page 16 of the manual but please weigh in if you have some useful thoughts.

Scott Stoneback · April 1st, 2010, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Scott,

If you put your cards in the nanoFlash now, and attempt to format them, do you get the error, or has the problem gone away?

Please feel free to call our office, 720-221-3861, and our Support Manager will be happy to assist. This is a number to our Colorado Springs office.

The cards seemed to format fine today. I am guessing the hiccup was related to the card having been used during the firmware update.

Still have audio sync problems... the audio is several frames ahead of the video during playback.

Dan Keaton · April 2nd, 2010, 04:40 AM

Dear Scott,

As we have documented in our Release Notes for 1.5.126, the audio/video sync is 2 frames off, when playing pack via the nanoFlash, but not the files themselves are ok.

Thus, when you edit the files, the audio/video sync should be ok.

This is a technical hurdle we are trying to overcome. We are working on it.

March 30th, 2010, 11:55 AM	#46
Clarke Thomas New Boot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 11	Dear Dan, I have done a short test, and all looks good with the .mpg system. Going on a flight now to do an extended test. Thank you, Clarke Thomas

March 30th, 2010, 02:34 PM	#47
Clarke Thomas New Boot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 11	.mpg test OK Just completed a flight on some electric line ROW with the Beta 1.5.126. The video looks very clean, and both audio tracks are also clean and clear. Recording using Sony HD camera and .mpg format at 35 mbs over HDMI, with analog audio input. All Thumbs UP from me! Thanks for the fixes to the CD team.

March 31st, 2010, 09:36 AM	#50
Barry J. Weckesser Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 427	Anyone tried the new beta (NANO) firmware using an EX! with the v. 1.20 firmware I was wondering if anyone had tried out the new Nano beta with an EX1 with the new v. 1.20 firmware installed. I experience a 1-4 second delay in the Nano started to record once I press the camera record button. I have the Nano set to the new TC trigger setting. I also have prebuffer on (works the same without prebuffer) and am shooting at 1080 30P MXF at 100mbps.

March 31st, 2010, 10:39 PM	#53
Scott Stoneback Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 161	CF Card had trouble formatting in slot 2 Shot today using the new release. I like the menu changes. I did have trouble getting the CF Cards to properly format today. I had both cards in, initiated the formatting, but error came up saying CF2 was unknown card (or something like that). Pulled the cards, put Card 2 into CF1, leaving CF2 empty, and still had "CF2 Unknown card" error. Reformatted once more and all seemed fine. Cards are Delkin 64Gbs and work great. The card originally in CF2 was used to redo the firmware. I had deleted the firmware file from the card, on my pc, before attempting to reformat in Nano.

April 1st, 2010, 06:45 AM	#54
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Scott, If you put your cards in the nanoFlash now, and attempt to format them, do you get the error, or has the problem gone away? Please feel free to call our office, 720-221-3861, and our Support Manager will be happy to assist. This is a number to our Colorado Springs office. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

March 31st, 2010, 09:55 AM	#51
Luben Izov Major Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: White Rock Posts: 254	Hi Barry, I haven't try that, but trying to figure it out why that would be the case. Would you be able to post a print out of your settings? Also, a wild question, but could be an issue... Do you use a proper SDI cable or a RCA with BNC connections? Other thing to try is restore to factory settings, power off and than redo yours ones again hope that helps you cheers

March 31st, 2010, 08:55 PM	#52
David Rogers Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Nashvegas, TN Posts: 79	Mark, us older timers (flash XDR owners) continue to languish in the midst of all the young upstarts (Nanoflash owners). Oh well. David

April 1st, 2010, 07:15 AM	#56
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear David and Mark, We had built a version, for release, for the Flash XDR and the nanoFlash on the same day. Just before released both, our quality control testing found a problem with the Flash XDR version. So we did not release it. It could have been the other way around. We are trying to find the problem then fix it. Just as our Public Beta testers are testing the nanoFlash version, our quality control testers are testing it in our lab. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

April 1st, 2010, 09:07 AM	#58
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Problem Recording in 720/30p I came across an odd problem recording in 720/30p on an EX3 the other day. The display on the nanoFlash showed it was recording in 720/60. Fine. I injested the material onto a Mac and dropped the first clip into the sequence in FCP to get the timeline to adjust to the parameters of the nanoFlash clip, as I usually do. Then I dropped in the remaining material, performed the edit, titling, transitions, no colour correction on this job as it was a quicky (but long) event video. Did a final render and then rendered (exported) out a ProRes version of the job to prep for Compressor. Threw the file into Compressor, crunched the material down for web delivery only to discover the video was exactly twice as long as the original video footage (you can see where I am going). Checked back in the timeline/sequence settings and noted that in the XDCAM EX 4:2:2 codec settings that 720/30p is not available. Should we always be recording in camera at 720/60 when the end result we want is 720/30 and discard the duplicate frames in post or did I simply foul up somewhere? EDIT: I think I found some pertinent information on page 16 of the manual but please weigh in if you have some useful thoughts.

April 2nd, 2010, 04:40 AM	#60
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Scott, As we have documented in our Release Notes for 1.5.126, the audio/video sync is 2 frames off, when playing pack via the nanoFlash, but not the files themselves are ok. Thus, when you edit the files, the audio/video sync should be ok. This is a technical hurdle we are trying to overcome. We are working on it. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia