Adobe CS3/CS4 + MainConcept = Great News

David Cherniack · November 16th, 2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

Having said that, Premiere Pro DOES support LongGOP MPEG-II at a maximum bitrate of 35Mb/s (if I recall correctly).

That is correct and so does AE.

To summarize the situation with C-D MXF files in Windows:

Pr supports them with Axio and the M-C plugin. Ae does not with Axio and apparently not with M-C.

David
AllinOneFilms.com

David Cherniack · November 16th, 2009, 04:38 PM

"I just transcoded to ProRes422 HQ, which worked fine in Premiere Pro. No extra plugins required. The ProRes422 files are 10 bit and 220Mbs, very high quality."

Is this on a Mac or Windows?

David
AllinOneFilms.com

Aaron Newsome · November 16th, 2009, 05:13 PM

We were using the Quicktime ProRes422 HQ files on Premiere Pro for For Windows. We did not need any kind of plugins to edit the footage.

I installed CS4 on a clean windows system, only to verify that the ProRes422 files would work without any additional hoops to jump through.

Aaron Newsome · November 16th, 2009, 05:25 PM

I'll also add that in addition to the other codec requirements I mentioned (bit depth, bit rate, colorspace), you can also add frame rate to the matrix. As we've learned in recent testing, sometimes an NLE will only support certain codecs at certain "legal" frame rates.

As an example, in my testing, FCP will support SD IMX MPEG at 23.98fps but fail to import the same codec at 24fps.

So in your testing matrix of NLE vs. container type, codec, bit depth, bit rate & colorspace, you can now add framerate. If you really want to make life difficult, throw in progressive & interlaced tests too.

Am I the only one that thinks the testing matrix for all of these concerns, makes for one huge matrix?

David Cherniack · November 16th, 2009, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

We were using the Quicktime ProRes422 HQ files on Premiere Pro for For Windows. We did not need any kind of plugins to edit the footage.

I installed CS4 on a clean windows system, only to verify that the ProRes422 files would work without any additional hoops to jump through.

But the transcode to Prores was done on a Mac, correct?

Aaron Newsome · November 16th, 2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Cherniack

But the transcode to Prores was done on a Mac, correct?

Yes, I edit with FCP on the Mac. It was the other guy who was stuck with Premiere Pro on the PC.

David Cherniack · November 16th, 2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

Yes, I edit with FCP on the Mac. It was the other guy who was stuck with Premiere Pro on the PC.

Where he'll no doubt see the error of his ways and turn away from sin to the light :)

Paul Cronin · November 16th, 2009, 06:18 PM

Thank you Aaron,

What version of FC and QT are you using?

Appreciate the help since tomorrow I send todays footage off to the PP PC editor.

Aaron Newsome · November 16th, 2009, 06:57 PM

I have the latest Final Cut Studio. Pretty sure the ProRes422 codec is identical as the older version of FCP though. It should work with any version of FCP that can output ProRes422. I actually used Color to output my files since I sent them over color corrected.

David Cherniack · November 16th, 2009, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear David,

I checked with MainConcept.

They have confirmed that "We officially only support Adobe Premier Pro with our Plug-In."

I am still researching this.

Dan, please let us know if you find out anything about support in Ae for C-D mxf files. That would be my main concern.

David
AllinOneFilms.com

Paul Cronin · November 17th, 2009, 08:20 AM

Thanks Aaron for your help.

Dan Keaton · November 17th, 2009, 08:55 AM

Dear Friends,

I have been in touch with MainConcept.

They will be testing this shortly, in the next few days.

We will have an answer then.

Paul Cronin · November 20th, 2009, 09:01 AM

Interesting the footage I have rendered out from FC on my Mac Pro Prores HQ for my client to edit on their PC in Premier Pro does not look that great. When I view the footage in XDCAM 422 time line it is sharper.

Not impressed at all. Is there a different option since the client will not do the plug in.

Paul Cronin · November 20th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Have anyone tried from FCP to PP by XLM? Adobe says CS4 PP imports XLM from FC.

I have to find a better way unless I am doing something very wrong with Prores HQ. There is not a smooth straight line in any clip on the Prores HQ timeline or with the exported files.

Paul Cronin · November 20th, 2009, 11:35 AM

I have just talked with the client and looks like they might go for the plugin.

With a few test now I am shocked how much noise is in ProRes HQ. It is not even close to the quality off the CF card or even on the XDCAM 422 timeline.

November 16th, 2009, 06:18 PM	#53
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Thank you Aaron, What version of FC and QT are you using? Appreciate the help since tomorrow I send todays footage off to the PP PC editor. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 17th, 2009, 08:20 AM	#56
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Thanks Aaron for your help. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 17th, 2009, 08:55 AM	#57
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Friends, I have been in touch with MainConcept. They will be testing this shortly, in the next few days. We will have an answer then. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

November 20th, 2009, 09:01 AM	#58
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Interesting the footage I have rendered out from FC on my Mac Pro Prores HQ for my client to edit on their PC in Premier Pro does not look that great. When I view the footage in XDCAM 422 time line it is sharper. Not impressed at all. Is there a different option since the client will not do the plug in. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 20th, 2009, 09:12 AM	#59
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Have anyone tried from FCP to PP by XLM? Adobe says CS4 PP imports XLM from FC. I have to find a better way unless I am doing something very wrong with Prores HQ. There is not a smooth straight line in any clip on the Prores HQ timeline or with the exported files. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 16th, 2009, 04:38 PM	#47
David Cherniack Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 186	"I just transcoded to ProRes422 HQ, which worked fine in Premiere Pro. No extra plugins required. The ProRes422 files are 10 bit and 220Mbs, very high quality." Is this on a Mac or Windows? David AllinOneFilms.com

November 16th, 2009, 05:13 PM	#48
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	We were using the Quicktime ProRes422 HQ files on Premiere Pro for For Windows. We did not need any kind of plugins to edit the footage. I installed CS4 on a clean windows system, only to verify that the ProRes422 files would work without any additional hoops to jump through.

November 16th, 2009, 05:25 PM	#49
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	I'll also add that in addition to the other codec requirements I mentioned (bit depth, bit rate, colorspace), you can also add frame rate to the matrix. As we've learned in recent testing, sometimes an NLE will only support certain codecs at certain "legal" frame rates. As an example, in my testing, FCP will support SD IMX MPEG at 23.98fps but fail to import the same codec at 24fps. So in your testing matrix of NLE vs. container type, codec, bit depth, bit rate & colorspace, you can now add framerate. If you really want to make life difficult, throw in progressive & interlaced tests too. Am I the only one that thinks the testing matrix for all of these concerns, makes for one huge matrix?

November 16th, 2009, 06:57 PM	#54
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	I have the latest Final Cut Studio. Pretty sure the ProRes422 codec is identical as the older version of FCP though. It should work with any version of FCP that can output ProRes422. I actually used Color to output my files since I sent them over color corrected.

November 20th, 2009, 11:35 AM	#60
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	I have just talked with the client and looks like they might go for the plugin. With a few test now I am shocked how much noise is in ProRes HQ. It is not even close to the quality off the CF card or even on the XDCAM 422 timeline. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com