Nano worth it for the 4.2.2 alone

Rafael Amador · October 29th, 2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Kousoulides

Hi Aaron,

I'm sure you're right however, I have worked with both and the difference between 8 and 10 bit has been worth fretting over - particularly when it comes to process work.

Obviously other factors are important too.

So you prefer to keep working in 36Mbps 420.
160 Mbps 422 is not good enough because is just 8b.
Or 10b Uncompress or nothing.
I don't understand nothing. Suddenly everybody wants 10b Uncompress.
How many of us can afford an Uncompress workflow in HD?
If I would be able to maintain a 10b Unc workflow I would be looking for a different solution than the NANO.
Rafael

Aaron Newsome · October 29th, 2009, 11:28 PM

S.two does 4:4:4 10bit Uncompressed. So does the Thomson Venom. I think the KG UDR-D100 does too. If you want to tether you have lots more options too.

Barlow Elton · October 30th, 2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis

Since there is almost no material available to convince me that the Nano provides a visual benefit over my EX1, I'm having fun searching for other high-tech justifications such as "crash cam" via HDMI, high frame rate stills, buffered cache, etc..

Do you spend much time grading EX1 material in post?

As soon as you have some material that is very motion intensive (i.e. very codec stressful, and yes, you can still break XDCAM EX 35mbs fairly easily) and have to push the image a great deal because it's underexposed and desaturated, then have to render back out from your multi-generational ProRes or CineForm intermediate to mp4 at less than 19 mbs for your final Blu-ray distribution copy....welll, you may appreciate starting out with full 4:2:2 uncompressed quality acquisition.

Gints Klimanis · October 30th, 2009, 05:09 PM

Barlow, Thanks for the vote of confidence for the Nanoflash. I do some color balancing and exposure correction, but usually, not more than that. So far, I have little need for an intermediate format. My material is motion intensive, so that is my interest in the Nanoflash over native EX1.

Rafael Amador · October 30th, 2009, 11:25 PM

Glints,
I'm not trying to sell any NANO, and no need of any vote of confidence for the NANO-Flash.
Many of us we are working with the NANO already since a couple of months ago.
Don't need to be an engineer to see the difference NAO/No-NANO.
Nothing easier than what Paul suggests:
Record whatever you want in the SxS and in the NANO and make an split-screen with both pictures.
No more tests needed, believe me.
Rafael

Dan Keaton · October 31st, 2009, 03:02 AM

Dear Gints,

Just the week, Paul Cronin was in a customers office and they have two high-quality, calibrated identical monitors.

He showed the native 35 Mbps 4:2:0 footage and the nanoFlash 4:2:2 footage.

The client asked, "Did you use two different cameras for this shoot?"

Side by Side, the difference is readily obvious on good equipment.

Last year, Paul, in his own editing suite, with two identical monitors had two frame grabs up. His wife walked in: "Paul, why did you color correct one image and not the other?"
His answer, "Neither was color corrected, one is 4:2:0, one is 4:2:2". (an approximate quote).

Gints Klimanis · October 31st, 2009, 05:28 PM

Thanks Dan and Rafael. If only the frame grabs from your experiences were available to those that do not already have a Nanoflash or XDR ...

Dan Keaton · October 31st, 2009, 05:35 PM

Dear Gints,

We are working on your request.

1. Paul Cronin sent us some files on Friday. These are on our server and our plans are to work with these on Monday, so we can setup links to the files.

2. Alister Chapman sent us some files today.

We will also work with these on Monday.

Paul Cronin · November 1st, 2009, 09:08 AM

Dan your quotes are accurate. Hope the files work out. I am on the road shooting through next Sunday so not FTP while on the road. If you need more files let me know, happy to help.

October 31st, 2009, 03:02 AM	#36
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Gints, Just the week, Paul Cronin was in a customers office and they have two high-quality, calibrated identical monitors. He showed the native 35 Mbps 4:2:0 footage and the nanoFlash 4:2:2 footage. The client asked, "Did you use two different cameras for this shoot?" Side by Side, the difference is readily obvious on good equipment. Last year, Paul, in his own editing suite, with two identical monitors had two frame grabs up. His wife walked in: "Paul, why did you color correct one image and not the other?" His answer, "Neither was color corrected, one is 4:2:0, one is 4:2:2". (an approximate quote). __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 31st, 2009, 05:35 PM	#38
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Gints, We are working on your request. 1. Paul Cronin sent us some files on Friday. These are on our server and our plans are to work with these on Monday, so we can setup links to the files. 2. Alister Chapman sent us some files today. We will also work with these on Monday. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

November 1st, 2009, 09:08 AM	#39
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Dan your quotes are accurate. Hope the files work out. I am on the road shooting through next Sunday so not FTP while on the road. If you need more files let me know, happy to help. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

October 29th, 2009, 11:28 PM	#32
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	S.two does 4:4:4 10bit Uncompressed. So does the Thomson Venom. I think the KG UDR-D100 does too. If you want to tether you have lots more options too.

October 30th, 2009, 05:09 PM	#34
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Barlow, Thanks for the vote of confidence for the Nanoflash. I do some color balancing and exposure correction, but usually, not more than that. So far, I have little need for an intermediate format. My material is motion intensive, so that is my interest in the Nanoflash over native EX1.

October 30th, 2009, 11:25 PM	#35
Rafael Amador Major Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vientiane (Lao PDR) Posts: 349	Glints, I'm not trying to sell any NANO, and no need of any vote of confidence for the NANO-Flash. Many of us we are working with the NANO already since a couple of months ago. Don't need to be an engineer to see the difference NAO/No-NANO. Nothing easier than what Paul suggests: Record whatever you want in the SxS and in the NANO and make an split-screen with both pictures. No more tests needed, believe me. Rafael

October 31st, 2009, 05:28 PM	#37
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Thanks Dan and Rafael. If only the frame grabs from your experiences were available to those that do not already have a Nanoflash or XDR ...