Goodwood Revival NanoFlash Footage

Aaron Newsome · October 13th, 2009, 03:14 PM

I'd happily post footage for comparison but that's impossible for me to do. I have two cameras. One does not have a recorder, the other has component out and I can't connect it to my XDR.

Gints Klimanis · October 13th, 2009, 04:05 PM

Aaron, I'm just looking for some frame grabs of parallel recordings. Unforunately, your equipment list doesn't seem to be able to accomodate that specialized request.

Mike Schell · October 13th, 2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis

Thank you for your comments, Aaron and Alister. While I'm convinced that HDV would be improved, Alister's multiple comments in comparing EX1 at 35 MBps and Nanoflash at 100 MBs. Perhaps this explains why there is so little material comparing the two. Convergent should have more comparisons on their site. All I've been able to find are some relatively unimpressive Quicktime files with no alternate recording as a reference.

Mark Job has volunteered some Canon XL H1 HDV files and parallel Nanoflash recordings. I'll host those files for download on my server for a while and post the announcement to this group.

Hi Gints-
See this post: "The Real CODEC Torture Test: 35Mbps vs 100Mbps" for some comparion images.

Best-

Gints Klimanis · October 13th, 2009, 05:06 PM

Thanks for the two images, Mike. They are excellent examples of what I'm looking for. Though, do you have any that are not specifically from torture tests? I don't see myself rotating my camera much if at all, and I rarely have noticed that sort of edge artifacting in my Sony EX1 footage. Now, my Sony Z1U HDV was an artifact machine.

Aaron Newsome · October 13th, 2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis

Aaron, I'm just looking for some frame grabs of parallel recordings. Unforunately, your equipment list doesn't seem to be able to accomodate that specialized request.

Once I get a component to SDI, I'll gladly show you the difference between 35Mbs HDV and 100Mbs on the XDR.

Alister Chapman · November 13th, 2009, 07:53 AM

Hi all. I have now got full clearance to publish the clips from Goodwood. You can watch via the links below.
YouTube - Goodwood Revival 2009. Flying Displays
Goodwood Revival By Alister Chapman On ExposureRoom

Dan Keaton · November 13th, 2009, 08:13 AM

Dear Alister,

This is great news. I just loved your short.

John Richard · November 13th, 2009, 08:39 AM

Beautiful work !

Could you tell us some details about the post work such as the project settings (uncompressed; ProRes; native Nano format?) and level of color correction performed.

Also, for a fair evaluation, the compression format that had to be used for posting this piece on the web which of course would degrade what your real finished product looks like which would be wonderful to see.

And what camera/lense was it shot on as well as the NanoFlash format used for acquisition - LongGOP 100mbps?

Thanks for taking the time to get permission to post this short. Wonderful.

Would be fun to see a film-out or digitally projected on a large monitor or screen.
My guess is would look marvelous!

These boxes in the hands of talented folks are a wonder.

Rafael Amador · November 13th, 2009, 09:25 AM

Brilliant.
Rafael

Alister Chapman · November 13th, 2009, 09:29 AM

It was shot using an EX3 with stock lens and Petroff Matte Box or with a Sony HXR-MC1P minicam. The NanoFlash was set to 100 Mb/s long GoP, it was all shot at 1920x1080 50i. I would have preferred to shoot 25P but the end client needed 50i

Post was done with FCP, editing in a XDCAM native timeline by dropping a NanoFlash clip into the timeline to set it up. There is some grading, but this was pretty simple using only the standard FCP color corrector. A slight vignette has been added to the clip.

The EX3 was setup with a picture profile using Cinegamma 1, cinema matrix at +35, preset white at 6300k, detail -10, frequency +30, crispening +20.

John Richard · November 13th, 2009, 10:09 AM

Thank you Alister. Looks like the in-camera settings are what gave the footage that film feel look.

What did it look like on a nice large monitor?

Alister Chapman · November 13th, 2009, 11:03 AM

Oh it looks very nice on a big monitor too! The 100 Mb/s NanoFlash footage holds up so well in post. A lot of the "look" comes from the light on the day. Most of it was shot during late afternoon and early evening during the Golden Hours. The footage was then color corrected to make sure all the footage had a slight orange/golden tint to it. I also had the matrix set to boost reds/oranges a little. I don't have those exact settings to hand now.

Steve Brown · November 14th, 2009, 06:43 PM

Alister... good stuff, man! Thanks for sharing!

Mike Schell · November 15th, 2009, 08:27 AM

Hi Alister-
Really superb. I thought you made an excellent choice for the soundtrack. Of course the video looked fantastic, also.

Best-

Aaron Newsome · November 15th, 2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

Once I get a component to SDI, I'll gladly show you the difference between 35Mbs HDV and 100Mbs on the XDR.

I got my HDV camera back from repair and I did a parallel recording. I thought I would post some comparison footage but honestly I've been staring at them and I can't tell the difference.

I recording a fairly static shot of some colored glass bottles on my counter top (I still don't have a very portable rig for doing parallel recordings with the XDR on my HDV cam). I don't think this was much torture for the HDV codec.

I'll need to push it harder to get it to breakdown.

November 13th, 2009, 07:53 AM	#21
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Clips back online! Hi all. I have now got full clearance to publish the clips from Goodwood. You can watch via the links below. YouTube - Goodwood Revival 2009. Flying Displays Goodwood Revival By Alister Chapman On ExposureRoom __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

November 13th, 2009, 08:13 AM	#22
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Alister, This is great news. I just loved your short. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

November 13th, 2009, 09:29 AM	#25
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	It was shot using an EX3 with stock lens and Petroff Matte Box or with a Sony HXR-MC1P minicam. The NanoFlash was set to 100 Mb/s long GoP, it was all shot at 1920x1080 50i. I would have preferred to shoot 25P but the end client needed 50i Post was done with FCP, editing in a XDCAM native timeline by dropping a NanoFlash clip into the timeline to set it up. There is some grading, but this was pretty simple using only the standard FCP color corrector. A slight vignette has been added to the clip. The EX3 was setup with a picture profile using Cinegamma 1, cinema matrix at +35, preset white at 6300k, detail -10, frequency +30, crispening +20. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

November 13th, 2009, 11:03 AM	#27
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Oh it looks very nice on a big monitor too! The 100 Mb/s NanoFlash footage holds up so well in post. A lot of the "look" comes from the light on the day. Most of it was shot during late afternoon and early evening during the Golden Hours. The footage was then color corrected to make sure all the footage had a slight orange/golden tint to it. I also had the matrix set to boost reds/oranges a little. I don't have those exact settings to hand now. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

November 15th, 2009, 08:27 AM	#29
Mike Schell Convergent Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 869	Hi Alister- Really superb. I thought you made an excellent choice for the soundtrack. Of course the video looked fantastic, also. Best- __________________ Mike Schell Convergent Design

October 13th, 2009, 03:14 PM	#16
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	I'd happily post footage for comparison but that's impossible for me to do. I have two cameras. One does not have a recorder, the other has component out and I can't connect it to my XDR.

October 13th, 2009, 04:05 PM	#17
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Aaron, I'm just looking for some frame grabs of parallel recordings. Unforunately, your equipment list doesn't seem to be able to accomodate that specialized request.

October 13th, 2009, 05:06 PM	#19
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Thanks for the two images, Mike. They are excellent examples of what I'm looking for. Though, do you have any that are not specifically from torture tests? I don't see myself rotating my camera much if at all, and I rarely have noticed that sort of edge artifacting in my Sony EX1 footage. Now, my Sony Z1U HDV was an artifact machine.

November 13th, 2009, 08:39 AM	#23
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	Beautiful work ! Could you tell us some details about the post work such as the project settings (uncompressed; ProRes; native Nano format?) and level of color correction performed. Also, for a fair evaluation, the compression format that had to be used for posting this piece on the web which of course would degrade what your real finished product looks like which would be wonderful to see. And what camera/lense was it shot on as well as the NanoFlash format used for acquisition - LongGOP 100mbps? Thanks for taking the time to get permission to post this short. Wonderful. Would be fun to see a film-out or digitally projected on a large monitor or screen. My guess is would look marvelous! These boxes in the hands of talented folks are a wonder.

November 13th, 2009, 09:25 AM	#24
Rafael Amador Major Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vientiane (Lao PDR) Posts: 349	Brilliant. Rafael

November 13th, 2009, 10:09 AM	#26
John Richard Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Incline Village, Nevada Posts: 604	Thank you Alister. Looks like the in-camera settings are what gave the footage that film feel look. What did it look like on a nice large monitor?

November 14th, 2009, 06:43 PM	#28
Steve Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 96	Alister... good stuff, man! Thanks for sharing!