Over/under crank with the Flash/Nano

Aaron Newsome · October 24th, 2009, 01:27 PM

Mark there is only one RED camera, the RED ONE. The Scarlet and Epic camera announcements will be later this month. Shooting 2K on the RED ONE uses a sensor cropping scheme, not the full sensor. I researched the RED pretty well before buying my Viper. This was one of the things I loved about the Viper, full sensor in all shooting modes except scope, even in scope mode it uses nearly all the sensor.

I don't know of any standard camera that can output a 1080p60 signal. The only camera that I know of that would be able to do that would be an expensive high speed camera.

Mark Job · October 24th, 2009, 01:29 PM

Hi Steve:
I suppose there is not enough investment going into RED Cinema to complete the R & D on their new stuff. I'm in the same position with my SD Card based Solid State Digital Recorder :-( I am glad we didn't publish any pictures on the Internet of our new box design yet.

Steve Phillipps · October 24th, 2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

I don't know of any standard camera that can output a 1080p60 signal. The only camera that I know of that would be able to do that would be an expensive high speed camera.

The Sony F23 will do it and so will the new SRW9000 camcorder, recording to HDCam SR. Lot of money though, and a big bit of kit to lug around the hills!
Steve

Daniel Symmes · October 24th, 2009, 01:55 PM

If you can afford a 9000 you don't worry about compression.

Dan Keaton · October 24th, 2009, 02:00 PM

Dear Friends,

When the Sony SRW-9000 was first shown to the public, at NAB 2009, the nanoFlash was attached to the side of the camera.

We had been working with Sony for some time before the announcment. They made a very nice bracket so that nanoFlash becomes a nice attachment.

The nanoFlash is a recommended accessory for the SRW-9000. It is for recording proxies.

But, of course, we know it can be used for recording high quality images, but HDCam SR offers 4:4:4 and we do not.

Mark Job · October 24th, 2009, 02:14 PM

Hi Dan:
The HDCAM SR Camcorder also records and outputs in 4:2:2. Once the XDR is uncompressed and 10 bit, then it will also be capable of online capture from the HDCAM SR Camera output as a Recorder alternative.

Steve Phillipps · October 24th, 2009, 02:40 PM

But as we've already heard the Flash won't be able to record the 1080/60P that the camera can also output and record to 422 HDCam SR.
Steve

Paul Cronin · October 24th, 2009, 02:41 PM

Mark my Red One was 005721 purchased in Jan 09. The rest of the cameras are hype for now. I would suggest sticking with 2/3" broadcast HD camera with either the Nano or XDR. They are a proven system that pay the bills and keep the clients happy.

Aaron Newsome · October 24th, 2009, 02:54 PM

I know the F23 camera. I wasn't aware that it output a 1080p60. I don't know the SRW-9000 camera. I'll Google it.

Steve Phillipps · October 24th, 2009, 03:37 PM

It needs HKSR-102 and 103 cards and then does 1080/60P into the SRW-1 dockable recorder.
DisneyNature are using it for a couple of wildlife features in Africa along with a Phantom HD as reported here http://www.sony.co.uk/res/attachment...3895735044.pdf.
Steve

Mark Job · October 24th, 2009, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Phillipps

But as we've already heard the Flash won't be able to record the 1080/60P that the camera can also output and record to 422 HDCam SR.
Steve

...Hi Steve: True. However regular speed shooting like that in a feature film would be perfectly acceptable to an XDR. EDIT: You could drop down to 720p 60 on the SRW 9000, then output your 60p in that format and intercut that slow mo into a 1080 timeline. Perhaps it could be matched to the 1080 ??

Mark Job · October 25th, 2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Friends,

When the Sony SRW-9000 was first shown to the public, at NAB 2009, the nanoFlash was attached to the side of the camera.

We had been working with Sony for some time before the announcment. They made a very nice bracket so that nanoFlash becomes a nice attachment.

The nanoFlash is a recommended accessory for the SRW-9000. It is for recording proxies.

But, of course, we know it can be used for recording high quality images, but HDCam SR offers 4:4:4 and we do not.

...I watched the video with the English man in charge of engineering at Sony on the SRW 9000 project introduce the camera. We can clearly see there is a Nano Flash attached to he side of this wonderful camera. I can't quite see exactly how Sony has attached the Nano in this video. Can you post some pictures of this setup which shows the detail of how the Nano is attached ?

Mark Job · October 25th, 2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

Mark there is only one RED camera, the RED ONE. The Scarlet and Epic camera announcements will be later this month. Shooting 2K on the RED ONE uses a sensor cropping scheme, not the full sensor. I researched the RED pretty well before buying my Viper. This was one of the things I loved about the Viper, full sensor in all shooting modes except scope, even in scope mode it uses nearly all the sensor.

I don't know of any standard camera that can output a 1080p60 signal. The only camera that I know of that would be able to do that would be an expensive high speed camera.

...Hi Aaron. Does your Viper do slow mo and if so how fast can it go ?

Dan Keaton · October 25th, 2009, 06:46 PM

Dear Mark,

I searched for a photo of the nanoFlash mounted on the SRW-9000. I could not find one.

Sony built a custom bracket for the SRW-9000, using drawings we provided them prior to NAB. We did not build the bracket.

Mark Job · October 25th, 2009, 06:51 PM

Hi Dan:
OK. Well thanks for trying to get something up. Dan, how much does the basic SRW 9000 camera package cost ?

October 24th, 2009, 01:29 PM	#62
Mark Job Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,138	Make Believe Cameras Hi Steve: I suppose there is not enough investment going into RED Cinema to complete the R & D on their new stuff. I'm in the same position with my SD Card based Solid State Digital Recorder :-( I am glad we didn't publish any pictures on the Internet of our new box design yet.

October 24th, 2009, 02:00 PM	#65
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Friends, When the Sony SRW-9000 was first shown to the public, at NAB 2009, the nanoFlash was attached to the side of the camera. We had been working with Sony for some time before the announcment. They made a very nice bracket so that nanoFlash becomes a nice attachment. The nanoFlash is a recommended accessory for the SRW-9000. It is for recording proxies. But, of course, we know it can be used for recording high quality images, but HDCam SR offers 4:4:4 and we do not. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia Last edited by Dan Keaton; October 24th, 2009 at 02:36 PM.

October 24th, 2009, 02:14 PM	#66
Mark Job Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,138	Hd cam sr & accessories Hi Dan: The HDCAM SR Camcorder also records and outputs in 4:2:2. Once the XDR is uncompressed and 10 bit, then it will also be capable of online capture from the HDCAM SR Camera output as a Recorder alternative.

October 24th, 2009, 02:41 PM	#68
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Mark my Red One was 005721 purchased in Jan 09. The rest of the cameras are hype for now. I would suggest sticking with 2/3" broadcast HD camera with either the Nano or XDR. They are a proven system that pay the bills and keep the clients happy. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

October 25th, 2009, 06:46 PM	#74
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Mark, I searched for a photo of the nanoFlash mounted on the SRW-9000. I could not find one. Sony built a custom bracket for the SRW-9000, using drawings we provided them prior to NAB. We did not build the bracket. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 24th, 2009, 01:27 PM	#61
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	Mark there is only one RED camera, the RED ONE. The Scarlet and Epic camera announcements will be later this month. Shooting 2K on the RED ONE uses a sensor cropping scheme, not the full sensor. I researched the RED pretty well before buying my Viper. This was one of the things I loved about the Viper, full sensor in all shooting modes except scope, even in scope mode it uses nearly all the sensor. I don't know of any standard camera that can output a 1080p60 signal. The only camera that I know of that would be able to do that would be an expensive high speed camera.

October 24th, 2009, 01:55 PM	#64
Daniel Symmes Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA U.S.A. Posts: 146	If you can afford a 9000 you don't worry about compression.

October 24th, 2009, 02:40 PM	#67
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	But as we've already heard the Flash won't be able to record the 1080/60P that the camera can also output and record to 422 HDCam SR. Steve

October 24th, 2009, 02:54 PM	#69
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	I know the F23 camera. I wasn't aware that it output a 1080p60. I don't know the SRW-9000 camera. I'll Google it.

October 24th, 2009, 03:37 PM	#70
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	It needs HKSR-102 and 103 cards and then does 1080/60P into the SRW-1 dockable recorder. DisneyNature are using it for a couple of wildlife features in Africa along with a Phantom HD as reported here http://www.sony.co.uk/res/attachment...3895735044.pdf. Steve

October 25th, 2009, 06:51 PM	#75
Mark Job Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,138	Hi Dan: OK. Well thanks for trying to get something up. Dan, how much does the basic SRW 9000 camera package cost ?