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Steve Phillipps · June 27th, 2009, 04:14 AM

Heard a few bits of info about mounting the Nano on an IDX battery/V plate. How will this actually work?
Steve

Dan Keaton · June 27th, 2009, 08:44 AM

Dear Steve,

We could build a plate to adapt the IDX V-Mount plate to the nanoFlash.

However, please note that the IDX V-Mount plate is much bigger than the nanoFlash itself.

Nor is much battery power needed. The nanoFlash only requires 5.6 watts while recording, less than 0.3 watts in standby.

We are building D-Tap to 4-Pin Hirose power cables. So if you are using a V-Mount battery, one with a D-Tap, you can use this to power the nanoFlash also.

The nanoFlash uses so little power compared to most professional cameras, the additional power drain is very manageable.

And the advantage is that if you camera is monitoring the battery capacity, it will apply to the nanoFlash as well.

A 90 watt battery would power the nanoFlash for around 15 to 16 hours.

A 75 watt battery provides over 13 hours.

So for typical uses, the nanoFlash does not require a big battery.

Steve Phillipps · June 27th, 2009, 08:59 AM

Just trying to work out where would be the best place to mount the Nano to keep it out of the way and safe and not have to connect cables all the time. Could you for example mount it directly to the camera's V mount plate, then have the battery clip onto the back of the Nano?
Steve

Dan Keaton · June 27th, 2009, 09:37 AM

Dear Steve,

Do you use the IDX V-Mount batteries which allow a second battery to be mounted to the first?

We have been trying to build a plate that would allow the nanoFlash to be attached to such as battery.

In the Anton Bauer world, we build a plate with removable Anton Bauer Gold Mount Studs, so that the nanoFlash/Flash XDR can be mounted to an Anton Bauer Gold Mount adapter, as it it was a battery.

In regards to your question, I am sorry, but I do not fully understand.

If we attach the back of the nanoFlash to the camera's V-Mount plate, then where can we attach a V-Mount battery to the nanoFlash?

I am trying to understand, but I can not visualize what you mean, sorry.

Steve Phillipps · June 27th, 2009, 09:55 AM

I do use the IDX Endura 10 batteries, the ones that will piggy-back - so are you thinking you could attach it to the back of one of these?
Steve

Dan Keaton · June 27th, 2009, 10:04 AM

Dear Steve,

IDX has been most helpful.

But, we have not yet found the right part that would allow us to do so.

It think it would be very nice for use to use the secondary mount on the back (or front) of the battery to mount the nanoFlash.

But, we have found a $30 ball type cold/hot shoe adapter that works just great.

The only problem is if a cold/hot shore is already in use. But there are dual/triple hot/cold shoe adapters available.

We can manufacture the right part/plate to allow the nanoFlash to piggy-back to an IDX battery.

Steve Phillipps · June 27th, 2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

The only problem is if a cold/hot shore is already in use. But there are dual/triple hot/cold shoe adapters available.

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No, that's not the only problem. It also sticks out a bit and is prone to being knocked and also needs removing before putting back in the back. If you have something tucked flush against the body it can be pack as is. Mounting it to the back of the IDX batteries would be a nice solution, so you can make the part custom to order?
One small problem might be that it will stop you piggy-backing batteries for extra power - don't know if you're aware but you can only piggy-back 2 of them. You can physically stack as many as you like back-to-back but it'll only send power through the first to the second even if you have say 4 batteries mounted it'll only use the first 2 in the chain. So presumably if you attached 2 batteries back-to-back and then the Nano on the back of that no power would come through.
Steve

Dan Keaton · June 27th, 2009, 10:15 AM

Dear Steve,

Yes, you are correct. I did not choose my words carefully enough.

If there is interest, we will build a way to piggy-back the nanoFlash onto the IDX batteries.

Alister Chapman · June 27th, 2009, 11:14 AM

I'm looking at making a bracket for the 700/800 that will use the screws that secure WRR radio mic receiver and allow the nano flash to be mounted alongside the battery. The other less professional alternative is good old velro or slightly better 3M dual lock. A 1" square piece of dual lock will easily hold the nanoflash.

Steve Phillipps · June 27th, 2009, 11:26 AM

IDX make an adapter to mount 2 v lock batteries side by side. If the Nano has any sort of V lock mount to it you could use that on 1 slot and then a battery or even 2 on the other. This is it Enhanced View Services, Inc.
Steve

Dan Keaton · June 27th, 2009, 02:07 PM

Dear Alister,

We will be happy to develop a mount according to your specifications or needs.

The nanoFlash has a single 1/4" x 20 tripod threaded screw hole for certain types of mounting.

In addition we have other M3,.5 threaded screw holes so we can mount custom mounting/adapter plates.

Could you please send me photos, drawings, or rough sketches of what you want.

There is a fairly standard four hole pattern for mounting wireless mic's. Is this the pattern used to mount the WRR Radio Mic receiver?

If so, do you have access to the back of this hole pattern so we can mount the nanoFlash via a screw threaded in via the back of the plate you mentioned?

Steve Phillipps · June 28th, 2009, 09:03 AM

Just done a quick experiment, take the V mount off the back of one my old Sony batteries, and it clicks straight into the camera's V mount. So presumably it'd be very simple to bolt that onto the mounting plate of the Nano?
For the dual IDX plate that I have in mind, the Nano would have to sit with the CF slots pointing upwards so with the point of the V towards the top of the unit. I'll try to come up with an illustration of what I have in mind.
Steve

Dan Keaton · June 28th, 2009, 09:22 AM

Dear Steve,

We could design the V-Mount plate so that the nanoFlash could be mounted in multiple orientations.

Alister Chapman · June 28th, 2009, 09:51 AM

For me, ideally the nano flash would mount directly to the camera's existing V-mount and then the nanoflash would have a v-mount on the back of it. That way you could mount the nanoflash on the back of any v-mount equipped camera. I think sourcing the parts to make a mount to fit the nanoflash to the camera would be easy, possibly from a dead battery (the V and battery terminals) and then use an IDX v-lock plate on the back of the nanoflash. I've probably got the bits to do this in my spares bin. This would also work with my EX3 as I have a v-lock adapter for that.

Steve Phillipps · June 28th, 2009, 10:03 AM

How would the battery then power the camera? It can't go through the Nano. You'd have to connect the IDX plate to the camera via cable, and also a cable from the Nano to something.
Steve

June 27th, 2009, 04:14 AM	#1
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Nano Flash battery mounting Heard a few bits of info about mounting the Nano on an IDX battery/V plate. How will this actually work? Steve

June 27th, 2009, 08:44 AM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Steve, We could build a plate to adapt the IDX V-Mount plate to the nanoFlash. However, please note that the IDX V-Mount plate is much bigger than the nanoFlash itself. Nor is much battery power needed. The nanoFlash only requires 5.6 watts while recording, less than 0.3 watts in standby. We are building D-Tap to 4-Pin Hirose power cables. So if you are using a V-Mount battery, one with a D-Tap, you can use this to power the nanoFlash also. The nanoFlash uses so little power compared to most professional cameras, the additional power drain is very manageable. And the advantage is that if you camera is monitoring the battery capacity, it will apply to the nanoFlash as well. A 90 watt battery would power the nanoFlash for around 15 to 16 hours. A 75 watt battery provides over 13 hours. So for typical uses, the nanoFlash does not require a big battery. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

June 27th, 2009, 09:37 AM	#4
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Steve, Do you use the IDX V-Mount batteries which allow a second battery to be mounted to the first? We have been trying to build a plate that would allow the nanoFlash to be attached to such as battery. In the Anton Bauer world, we build a plate with removable Anton Bauer Gold Mount Studs, so that the nanoFlash/Flash XDR can be mounted to an Anton Bauer Gold Mount adapter, as it it was a battery. In regards to your question, I am sorry, but I do not fully understand. If we attach the back of the nanoFlash to the camera's V-Mount plate, then where can we attach a V-Mount battery to the nanoFlash? I am trying to understand, but I can not visualize what you mean, sorry. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

June 27th, 2009, 10:04 AM	#6
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Steve, IDX has been most helpful. But, we have not yet found the right part that would allow us to do so. It think it would be very nice for use to use the secondary mount on the back (or front) of the battery to mount the nanoFlash. But, we have found a $30 ball type cold/hot shoe adapter that works just great. The only problem is if a cold/hot shore is already in use. But there are dual/triple hot/cold shoe adapters available. We can manufacture the right part/plate to allow the nanoFlash to piggy-back to an IDX battery. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

June 27th, 2009, 10:15 AM	#8
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Steve, Yes, you are correct. I did not choose my words carefully enough. If there is interest, we will build a way to piggy-back the nanoFlash onto the IDX batteries. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

June 27th, 2009, 08:59 AM	#3
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Just trying to work out where would be the best place to mount the Nano to keep it out of the way and safe and not have to connect cables all the time. Could you for example mount it directly to the camera's V mount plate, then have the battery clip onto the back of the Nano? Steve

June 27th, 2009, 09:55 AM	#5
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	I do use the IDX Endura 10 batteries, the ones that will piggy-back - so are you thinking you could attach it to the back of one of these? Steve

June 27th, 2009, 11:14 AM	#9
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	I'm looking at making a bracket for the 700/800 that will use the screws that secure WRR radio mic receiver and allow the nano flash to be mounted alongside the battery. The other less professional alternative is good old velro or slightly better 3M dual lock. A 1" square piece of dual lock will easily hold the nanoflash. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

June 27th, 2009, 11:26 AM	#10
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	IDX make an adapter to mount 2 v lock batteries side by side. If the Nano has any sort of V lock mount to it you could use that on 1 slot and then a battery or even 2 on the other. This is it Enhanced View Services, Inc. Steve

June 27th, 2009, 02:07 PM	#11
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Alister, We will be happy to develop a mount according to your specifications or needs. The nanoFlash has a single 1/4" x 20 tripod threaded screw hole for certain types of mounting. In addition we have other M3,.5 threaded screw holes so we can mount custom mounting/adapter plates. Could you please send me photos, drawings, or rough sketches of what you want. There is a fairly standard four hole pattern for mounting wireless mic's. Is this the pattern used to mount the WRR Radio Mic receiver? If so, do you have access to the back of this hole pattern so we can mount the nanoFlash via a screw threaded in via the back of the plate you mentioned? __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

June 28th, 2009, 09:03 AM	#12
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	Just done a quick experiment, take the V mount off the back of one my old Sony batteries, and it clicks straight into the camera's V mount. So presumably it'd be very simple to bolt that onto the mounting plate of the Nano? For the dual IDX plate that I have in mind, the Nano would have to sit with the CF slots pointing upwards so with the point of the V towards the top of the unit. I'll try to come up with an illustration of what I have in mind. Steve

June 28th, 2009, 09:22 AM	#13
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Steve, We could design the V-Mount plate so that the nanoFlash could be mounted in multiple orientations. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

June 28th, 2009, 09:51 AM	#14
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	For me, ideally the nano flash would mount directly to the camera's existing V-mount and then the nanoflash would have a v-mount on the back of it. That way you could mount the nanoflash on the back of any v-mount equipped camera. I think sourcing the parts to make a mount to fit the nanoflash to the camera would be easy, possibly from a dead battery (the V and battery terminals) and then use an IDX v-lock plate on the back of the nanoflash. I've probably got the bits to do this in my spares bin. This would also work with my EX3 as I have a v-lock adapter for that. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

June 28th, 2009, 10:03 AM	#15
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	How would the battery then power the camera? It can't go through the Nano. You'd have to connect the IDX plate to the camera via cable, and also a cable from the Nano to something. Steve