Image from Thomson Viper and Flash XDR at DVinfo.net

Dan Keaton · March 17th, 2009, 10:20 AM

This image is a frame capture from a Thomson Viper, as recorded by the Flash XDR.

The recording was 4:2:2, I-Frame Only, at 160 Mbps.

Then we captured this frame as a ".bmp" file, which was 6 MB.

In order to post it here, we converted it to a ".JPG", 332 KB.

In our opinion, the original recording, as displayed on a quality HD-SDI monitor, looks great.

The ".bmp" file also looks better than this ".jpg".

You may click on the image to enlarge it.

Here is a link to the original ".bmp" file

http://convergent-design.fileburst.c...psf24 160M.bmp

The image below is the ".jpg", the link above is better suited for image analysis.

Mark Job · March 17th, 2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

This image is a frame capture from a Thomson Viper, as recorded by the Flash XDR.

The recording was 4:2:2, I-Frame Only, at 160 Mbps.

Then we captured this frame as a ".bmp" file, which was 6 MB.

In order to post it here, we converted it to a ".JPG", 332 KB.

In our opinion, the original recording, as displayed on a quality HD-SDI monitor, looks great.

The ".bmp" file also looks better than this ".jpg".

You may click on the image to enlarge it.

....Dan, can you post a link to where we could download the original video file captured from the Viper onto the XDR and have a look at that ?

Dan Keaton · March 17th, 2009, 01:41 PM

Dear Mark,

Yes. Our file hosting service is down today. I will post the original as soon as I am able.

Mark Job · March 17th, 2009, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Mark,

Yes. Our file hosting service is down today. I will post the original as soon as I am able.

...Thank You :-)

Dan Keaton · March 18th, 2009, 04:57 AM

Dear Mark,

I have posted a link to the original ".bmp" image on our server.

The link is posted in the original post, #1 above and duplicated here for you convenience.

http://convergent-design.fileburst.c...psf24 160M.bmp

Image courtesy of:
HYPERCUBE

Production:
The Sacrafice of Old San Juan

Director:
AK Hottman

DoP:
Pablo Berron

DIT & Producer
Mark Read

We wish to thank Mark Read for sharing this image.

Mark Job · March 18th, 2009, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Mark,

I have posted a link to the original ".bmp" image on our server.

The link is posted in the original post, #1 above and duplicated here for you convenience.

http://convergent-design.fileburst.c...psf24 160M.bmp

...Thanks Dan. Yes this bitmap picture is much superior and does show a great deal more detail on the woman's face, her lips, her eyes, and her hair at the sides. The image is still has a little more grain than I like to see in the upper left side of the image the pixels are noticeable. If it is possible for you to post a short movie sequence from the original Viper capture to XDR, then I'd love to see that. I am sure it looks magnificent. Dan, what settings were these images captured at from the Viper ? Was it 24 FPS or 60i ?

Dan Keaton · March 18th, 2009, 11:11 AM

Dear Mark,

This was shot at 24p, using I-Frame Only mode at 160 Mbps.

I am sorry, but I can not post a sequence at this time.

Dan Keaton · March 18th, 2009, 01:48 PM

Here is another image.

This image has been formatted for the correct aspect ratio.

The images I posted above were not corrected so they were compressed horizontally.

The actress is Rachel Weinstein.

Shot on Viper in WIDE 2.35:1 mode, with on 70mm DigiPrime to FLASH XDR.

Exported as non-compressed TIFF

Here is the captured 1920x1080, expanded into it's proper aspect and
resolution of 2538x1080:

http://convergent-design.fileburst.c..._Weinstein.tif

Mark Job · March 18th, 2009, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Here is another image.

This image has been formatted for the correct aspect ratio.

The images I posted above were not corrected so they were compressed horizontally.

The actress is Rachel Weinstein.

Shot on Viper in WIDE 2.35:1 mode, with on 70mm DigiPrime to FLASH XDR.

Exported as non-compressed TIFF

Here is the captured 1920x1080, expanded into it's proper aspect and
resolution of 2538x1080:

http://convergent-design.fileburst.c..._Weinstein.tif

....Yeah. Now that's even better with even more detail. The 160 Mbit encoding rate really shows its hand here. This image also shows that I Frame only MPEG 2 encoding can be very, very good. This kind of image would really pop out if it was transferred to 35 mm film and projected, or simply DLP digitally projected with their new Cinema Digital System. It is very difficult to judge quality on line unless you post the full video file and go view it on properly aligned HD studio monitor. A good way to evaluate these images would be to view the XDR clip from the Viper on a 10 bit via HD-SDI input into a 19 in Sony HD Monitor. I would have to say Ms. Weinstein looks even better than the earlier pictures you posted which were captured at 100 Mbit IBP frame Long GOP on XDR from the VIPER a few weeks back.

Christopher Drews · March 18th, 2009, 05:55 PM

The aspect ratio looks wrong to me. She's too fat (i.e. she needs to be stretched more). And no, I'm not being mean.

-C

Chris Barcellos · March 18th, 2009, 06:00 PM

Actually, that last file, appears to have right aspect ratio, the earlier ones showed up vertically stretched, at least to me.

Ian G. Thompson · March 18th, 2009, 06:32 PM

I agree...the last pic looks perfect.

March 17th, 2009, 01:41 PM	#3
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Mark, Yes. Our file hosting service is down today. I will post the original as soon as I am able. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

March 18th, 2009, 04:57 AM	#5
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Mark, I have posted a link to the original ".bmp" image on our server. The link is posted in the original post, #1 above and duplicated here for you convenience. http://convergent-design.fileburst.c...psf24 160M.bmp Image courtesy of: HYPERCUBE Production: The Sacrafice of Old San Juan Director: AK Hottman DoP: Pablo Berron DIT & Producer Mark Read We wish to thank Mark Read for sharing this image. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia Last edited by Dan Keaton; March 18th, 2009 at 11:23 AM.

March 18th, 2009, 11:11 AM	#7
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Mark, This was shot at 24p, using I-Frame Only mode at 160 Mbps. I am sorry, but I can not post a sequence at this time. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

March 18th, 2009, 01:48 PM	#8
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Here is another image. This image has been formatted for the correct aspect ratio. The images I posted above were not corrected so they were compressed horizontally. The actress is Rachel Weinstein. Shot on Viper in WIDE 2.35:1 mode, with on 70mm DigiPrime to FLASH XDR. Exported as non-compressed TIFF Here is the captured 1920x1080, expanded into it's proper aspect and resolution of 2538x1080: http://convergent-design.fileburst.c..._Weinstein.tif __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

March 18th, 2009, 06:00 PM	#11
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Actually, that last file, appears to have right aspect ratio, the earlier ones showed up vertically stretched, at least to me. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 17th, 2009, 10:20 AM	#1
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Image from Thomson Viper and Flash XDR This image is a frame capture from a Thomson Viper, as recorded by the Flash XDR. The recording was 4:2:2, I-Frame Only, at 160 Mbps. Then we captured this frame as a ".bmp" file, which was 6 MB. In order to post it here, we converted it to a ".JPG", 332 KB. In our opinion, the original recording, as displayed on a quality HD-SDI monitor, looks great. The ".bmp" file also looks better than this ".jpg". You may click on the image to enlarge it. Here is a link to the original ".bmp" file http://convergent-design.fileburst.c...psf24 160M.bmp The image below is the ".jpg", the link above is better suited for image analysis. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia Last edited by Dan Keaton; March 18th, 2009 at 04:55 AM.

March 18th, 2009, 05:55 PM	#10
Christopher Drews Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 628	The aspect ratio looks wrong to me. She's too fat (i.e. she needs to be stretched more). And no, I'm not being mean. -C

March 18th, 2009, 06:32 PM	#12
Ian G. Thompson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rockledge, Florida Posts: 351	I agree...the last pic looks perfect.