Cineform Conflict with Flash Video Encoder CS3

[Jose Ortiz]

Hello
Did anybody noticed that when you export from Ppro using CineFHD avi files, you end not having the chance to encode that file with flash video encoder cs3.

Before with my old version (v4) of cineform I use to export my Hdv work with the cineform avi method and then create a FLV video files for the web using Flash video encoder CS3. Now with the latelest version of cineform does not works. Flash video encoder says that can not read that type of media.

please notice and let me know if is something that cineform plans to fix

[David Newman]

It is clear that we have change anything to cause this, we write a full description in a trouble ticket so the support team can investigate.

[Jose Ortiz]

I'm wondering if I'm the only one having this problem with the exporting flash files. now I have the full version of production studio and I still not able to export in Ppro or Flash video encoder. I think the problem is with audio codec cause if I try to export just the audio works.

[Jon Jaschob]

I have never got the Flash 8 Encoder to work from the CF PPRO2 timeline, nor CF avi to work directly with the F8E. I always use After Effects to do the downres/encoding for flash, never a problem with this workflow.
Jon

[Marty Baggen]

CF AVI has never been a problem for me with Flash 8, however, I have attained the very best results by outputting an uncompressed AVI in the final frame size I want for my Flash movie from Premiere... then deinterlace with TMPGenc (still uncompressed AVI), then let the Flash encoder do its thing.

This produces noticeably better results than having Flash do the resizing... and TMPGenc does a really fine job of deinterlacing.

Lots of steps, but very good results.

[Jose Ortiz]

Yes Marty
I guess that I have to continue doing the Tmpgenc process too . Cause the Cs3 is no making any improvement in that aspect. What exactly is the that are you using when you use Tmpgenc?

I do
1 Export in PPro with cinneform file
2 Reduce the size to the size desired for my flv video using Tmpgenc Express
some noise reduction and also I change my format to Dvix mpg
3 then Flash encoder for final flv

[Marty Baggen]

Originally Posted by Jose Ortiz

Yes Marty
I guess that I have to continue doing the Tmpgenc process too . Cause the Cs3 is no making any improvement in that aspect. What exactly is the that are you using when you use Tmpgenc?

I do
1 Export in PPro with cinneform file
2 Reduce the size to the size desired for my flv video using Tmpgenc Express
some noise reduction and also I change my format to Dvix mpg
3 then Flash encoder for final flv

Jose,

I suppose what I am doing is a little overkill, but there's no downside.

I output an uncompressed AVI scaled to the final framesize that I want my Flash movie to be. I keep the interlacing as per the Cineform raw footage, which is upper filed dominance.

Then, I use TMPGenc for deinterlacing... I use the "Interpolation Adjusted" preset. I output an uncompressed AVI.

I take that AVI into my Flash Encoder..... all Flash has to do is encode. No rescaling, no deinterlacing.... for me, it has been the highest quality Flash movie.

Your choice to output Divx from TMPGenc may not be a good idea. Since it is only an intermediate step to Flash... there's no need to save bandwidth etc. You simply need the most rebust source for Flash as possible.

There may be better workflows... but I'm really pleased with the Flash stuff I have been able to output. The only variable that may be worth trying is to have TMPGenc do the rescaling of the frame size.

For another approach, I suppose the absolute ultimate method would be to deinterlace each Cineform raw clip to result in a progressive Adobe project. Then all you would have to do is output the proper scale from Adobe, then import that to Flash.

It's been a while since I even attempted a Flash movie directly from Premiere... I just remember that it wasn't a good experience.

[Jim Gunn]

Originally Posted by Marty Baggen

Jose,

For another approach, I suppose the absolute ultimate method would be to deinterlace each Cineform raw clip to result in a progressive Adobe project. Then all you would have to do is output the proper scale from Adobe, then import that to Flash.

I haven't done much flv exporting, but I routinely deinterlace my Sony FX-1 1080i hdv footage upon capture with Aspect HD. That way it doesn't feel like an extra step in the process, it just takes a little longer to convert after capture, as opposed to doing it on the tiimeline or make the subsequent export take longer than it needs to. Then I edit and output to a full size CF AVI file and then import that into a progressive profile in whatever encoding app I am using, usually Cleaner XL 1.5 to watermark the encoded video in the final formats which my clients use mostly for web streaming and downloading including wmv or quicktime, real and soon flash I think as well.

[Marty Baggen]

JIm,

that's solid and sensible workflow. I feel that TMPGenc does a superior job of deinterlacing than does Cineform, but I see the advantages of your process as well.