Cineform Neo Product Line

David Taylor · April 13th, 2007, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Bartolo

David, is your group going to have any presentations during NAB that we may be able to attend explaining all of the changes to the product lineup and options available?

We don't have any theater-style presentations of our own, but if you're at the show, please come by our booth - SL7826. We'll have all the new stuff running including the beta of our MacOS codec.

Adobe (Jacob Rosenberg) is doing a couple presentations about the CineForm workflow in the Adobe theater. I don't know what the schedule is for those at the moment.

Ron Haley · April 13th, 2007, 06:06 PM

well, contrary to comments previously made in this forum, it appears that upgrades to aspectHD will not be free. Are cineform going to fix all the bugs in version 4 that have made th $500 I spent on it pretty well worthless, or are we going to have to shell out more $'s to get a working product??

David Newman · April 13th, 2007, 06:12 PM

The hyperbole asside -- we are planning maintainence releases on 4.x, but not new features. We are just adding to much too warrant calling it 4.4.

Ron Haley · April 13th, 2007, 07:19 PM

does that mean that the cineform intermediate supported by 4.3 will work in Sorenson squeeze. I've had a ticket open on this for a couple of months.
Also, will the long promised "back to tape" solution going to be made available. Oh, and what about vista?

David Newman · April 13th, 2007, 09:20 PM

OT: Sorenson Squeeze seems to have an AVI bugs that have nothing to do with CineForm, I personally tried HUFFYUV in Sequeeze and it struggled also, whereas MOV wrapped CineForm files work perfectly -- so the AVI engine in that package is limited. If we do find a fix for Squeeze we will do our best to roll back into 4.x. It is on my task list for after NAB.

Stephen Armour · April 13th, 2007, 09:20 PM

So, until the end of the month, we can upgrade our Aspect to Prospect for $400...

We're still fuzzy on one thing, is the HDMI output of the V1 spitting out 1920x1080i uncompressed output, making the Prospect upgrade very attractive indeed?

If so...we're in. You've got our $$....

David Newman · April 13th, 2007, 09:22 PM

Stephen, yes the $400 upgrade offer is a nice one. Yes the V1 outputs 1920x1080 over HDMI, and Prospect HD will preserve that nice 1920x1080 square pixel image.

Peter Ferling · April 13th, 2007, 11:58 PM

It's nice to hear about Mr. Rosenberg is going to explain the cineform process within PPro. For being a small company you guys have hammered out a lot updated code, and I can appreciate your being in a crunch for NAB.

I managed to send off a hard drive with the completed files for the interactive DVD, etc. I also included the CFHD's and a note to look you guys up. Hopefully I will have made some customers for you. Secondly, if I am going to be cutting on this fantastic format, I'm going to be picky in the future as to who I transfer this media to. It would be a shame to see it ruined by someone else's substandard encoding.

Third, I received cudos from my peers and seniors as to my last few projects, as they've indicated a "marked improvement in quality of my videos", and have plans to cut more HD projects. Lastly, my competition, an outside vendor of many years, still has no plans to move to HD (my guess is due to budget). Too bad for them.

Have fun at NAB. I can't wait to run the new Prospect when you get back.

David Taylor · April 14th, 2007, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Armour

So, until the end of the month, we can upgrade our Aspect to Prospect for $400...

Stephen, only a slight clarification. Anybody that owns Aspect HD at the end of April can upgrade to Prospect HD during the month of May for $400. So you have to wait until May 1 for the upgrade.

Of course if you have projects in progress and don't want to wait until May you can download our Trial version of Prospect HD which will operate with full functionality for 15 days, which takes you almost to the end of the month.

The next release of Prospect HD will have numerous new features including additional QT support for those that need this.

Stephen Armour · April 14th, 2007, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Taylor

Stephen, only a slight clarification. Anybody that owns Aspect HD at the end of April can upgrade to Prospect HD during the month of May for $400. So you have to wait until May 1 for the upgrade.

Of course if you have projects in progress and don't want to wait until May you can download our Trial version of Prospect HD which will operate with full functionality for 15 days, which takes you almost to the end of the month.

The next release of Prospect HD will have numerous new features including additional QT support for those that need this.

Thanks for the suggestion. We might do just that with NEO especially. We need some shakedown testing for a mule (for field ingest) on a new long range project. If our friend has that little mule working soon, we'll do exactly that. We can hold off on the Prospect upgrade until that happens, as it's only 2 weeks and a download away, and is for post anyway.

You guys do good work, I like that. Two companies I admire: Cineform is one of them...Tnx.

Stephen Armour · April 18th, 2007, 08:15 AM

David, will the new codecs function okay with the Intensity Pro board, with both analog and HDMI inputs?

David Newman · April 18th, 2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Armour

David, will the new codecs function okay with the Intensity Pro board, with both analog and HDMI inputs?

Haven't tried it yet, but I expect it will without any software upgrades.

Deke Ryland · April 19th, 2007, 03:19 PM

Does Aspect HD for Premiere Pro (Win XP) allow you to export your timeline to a .mov Cineform HD file?

David Newman · April 19th, 2007, 04:03 PM

Aspect HD v5 will.

Deke Ryland · April 19th, 2007, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Aspect HD v5 will.

David... I am very interested in using Aspect HD with Premiere Pro. The main reason I would purchase Aspect HD is so I can export my timeline using the Cineform HD codec.

I downloaded the trial version of Aspect HD a few days ago, however I ran into an error when trying to use Sorenson Squeeze (latest version) with the Cineform .avi file. I contacted Sorenson, and they said that Squeeze does not support Cineform files. This is a downer, because that was the exact workflow I was hoping to achieve, since I need to encode all my videos for the web using Sorenson Squeeze.

I think I heard that Squeeze will accept the .mov Cineform files... is this correct? If so, is there any difference between the .mov and .avi Cineform files? Size, quality, etc? Thanks David.

April 13th, 2007, 06:06 PM	#32
Ron Haley Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Altos Hills, CA, USA Posts: 30	upgrade costs well, contrary to comments previously made in this forum, it appears that upgrades to aspectHD will not be free. Are cineform going to fix all the bugs in version 4 that have made th $500 I spent on it pretty well worthless, or are we going to have to shell out more $'s to get a working product??

April 13th, 2007, 06:12 PM	#33
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	The hyperbole asside -- we are planning maintainence releases on 4.x, but not new features. We are just adding to much too warrant calling it 4.4. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 13th, 2007, 09:20 PM	#35
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	OT: Sorenson Squeeze seems to have an AVI bugs that have nothing to do with CineForm, I personally tried HUFFYUV in Sequeeze and it struggled also, whereas MOV wrapped CineForm files work perfectly -- so the AVI engine in that package is limited. If we do find a fix for Squeeze we will do our best to roll back into 4.x. It is on my task list for after NAB. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 13th, 2007, 09:20 PM	#36
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	David, if it's a "yes", we're in... So, until the end of the month, we can upgrade our Aspect to Prospect for $400... We're still fuzzy on one thing, is the HDMI output of the V1 spitting out 1920x1080i uncompressed output, making the Prospect upgrade very attractive indeed? If so...we're in. You've got our $$.... __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

April 13th, 2007, 09:22 PM	#37
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Stephen, yes the $400 upgrade offer is a nice one. Yes the V1 outputs 1920x1080 over HDMI, and Prospect HD will preserve that nice 1920x1080 square pixel image. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 13th, 2007, 07:19 PM	#34
Ron Haley Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Altos Hills, CA, USA Posts: 30	does that mean that the cineform intermediate supported by 4.3 will work in Sorenson squeeze. I've had a ticket open on this for a couple of months. Also, will the long promised "back to tape" solution going to be made available. Oh, and what about vista?

April 13th, 2007, 11:58 PM	#38
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	It's nice to hear about Mr. Rosenberg is going to explain the cineform process within PPro. For being a small company you guys have hammered out a lot updated code, and I can appreciate your being in a crunch for NAB. I managed to send off a hard drive with the completed files for the interactive DVD, etc. I also included the CFHD's and a note to look you guys up. Hopefully I will have made some customers for you. Secondly, if I am going to be cutting on this fantastic format, I'm going to be picky in the future as to who I transfer this media to. It would be a shame to see it ruined by someone else's substandard encoding. Third, I received cudos from my peers and seniors as to my last few projects, as they've indicated a "marked improvement in quality of my videos", and have plans to cut more HD projects. Lastly, my competition, an outside vendor of many years, still has no plans to move to HD (my guess is due to budget). Too bad for them. Have fun at NAB. I can't wait to run the new Prospect when you get back. __________________ Pete Ferling http://ferling.net It's never a mistake if you learn something new from it. -------------------------------------------

April 18th, 2007, 08:15 AM	#41
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	Does NEO support the new Intensity Pro board? David, will the new codecs function okay with the Intensity Pro board, with both analog and HDMI inputs? __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

April 19th, 2007, 03:19 PM	#43
Deke Ryland Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Washington, USA Posts: 213	Does Aspect HD for Premiere Pro (Win XP) allow you to export your timeline to a .mov Cineform HD file?

April 19th, 2007, 04:03 PM	#44
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Aspect HD v5 will. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman