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Gildo Houtekamer · October 16th, 2006, 06:20 PM

Got my new system for hdv cutting last week.

Specs: Core 2 Duo 6700, Raid 0 2x300 Gig; Systemdisk 300 Gig; Matrox Parhelia; 2 Gigs of RAM; Adobe Premiere Pro 2.

Installed the Cineform codec.
Used HD link to make the avi's.
Premiere Pro locks up, freezes etc. time and time again.

So then I tried the standard HDV project in Prem 2.
Everything looked fine, but my system reboots randomly.

Question: Systemrelated?
Not enough RAM?

How many hours of hdv footage [Cineform Avi's or M2t files] should my new system be able to load.

I need at least 3 hours in one project.

Thanks in advance.

Steven Gotz · October 16th, 2006, 06:32 PM

I would get your RAM tested. You should not be rebooting on a nice new system like that.

Cineform AVI takes about 40GB per hour of video. So you can easily hold 5 hours worth before you start to fill up the drives too full.

Gildo Houtekamer · October 17th, 2006, 01:35 AM

Thanks Steven,
Problem seems indeed to be system related [ "Machine_check_exception"]
The system won't start up anymore...
Going to the shop today.
-glad it isn't Cineform-

Gildo Houtekamer · October 17th, 2006, 01:47 PM

Well, it wasn't the system...
Found out my motherboard has a VIA chip onboard for 1394.
I am going to give it a try tomorrow

Laurence Kingston · October 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM

Check your power supply. Power supplies are often the first thing to go and as they start underpowering things like memory and graphics engines, the problems often look like something else.

Gildo Houtekamer · October 18th, 2006, 03:01 PM

Thanks for answering.
I will look into that because the pc crashed again 3 times this day...
My current power supply is 400 Watts. [not enough...?]

Today I had the VIA disabled in the bios and replaced with an old Fire Wire card.
During testing in the shop everything worked good; no crashes, no freezes.
I could export to tape like I should, and importing files in Premiere Pro 2 in a Premiere HDV project, so that's resolved.

The man at the shop suggested it also could be the extended harddrive.

Well, some searching and checking to do tomorrow again.

By the way: I still have an absolute no-go with the Cineform codec.
It installs perfectly, I can open Pro 2 and create a project, but when I am importing the pc stops and hangs after a while.
Manually rebooting is the only solution.
I can't get it any further:
Is it impossible to load one hour of Cineform avi's in one time?

Brr...
Again the 'Machine_check_Exception'
Going back to the shop tomorrow -again-
I can't resolve this; it has got to be a hardware thing...

Gildo Houtekamer · November 5th, 2006, 03:39 PM

After replacing almost all the parts of the pc [memory, motherboard, power supply, Fire Wire card] it turned out to be the proc.
Replaced by a new one and all is going well.
No more strange behaviour.
Thanks for the replies -happy cutting!-

Cody Dulock · November 18th, 2006, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gildo Houtekamer

After replacing almost all the parts of the pc [memory, motherboard, power supply, Fire Wire card] it turned out to be the proc.
Replaced by a new one and all is going well.
No more strange behaviour.
Thanks for the replies -happy cutting!-

so it was the processor? because i was looking at doing a very similar setup.

Gildo Houtekamer · November 19th, 2006, 08:37 AM

Yes it was.
The proc was instable and caused the pc to reboot.
One more thing though: I am now using the Aspect hd trial version with 2 analog lcd monitors and a hd television setup, but...
I can only watch my hd output in the non stretched mode. [2 monitors independent mode and 1 hdtv]
During cutting I have to reboot to stretched mode to get a view on my second lcd monitor.
Can't figure out to get my preview on the second monitor and let my wife and children watch on the big screen during cutting at the same time...
...since you're looking at a similar setup...

Cody Dulock · November 19th, 2006, 08:15 PM

did you replace it with the same processor or a different model?

from my understanding you should be able to have your windows stretched across your two computer monitors then an out put for premiere's playback through a separate monitor. you might check out the adobe.com forums for the answer...

Tip McPartland · November 20th, 2006, 01:47 AM

I was disturbed when I had to set my Parhelia up that way (two independent computer monitors, then the HDTV), but it seems to work as if the two computer monitors are one big one, with application windows stretching right across them.

But please note, an application IS confined to one monitor when "full screen" but if you make the application window a variable size, you can stretch it right across both screens and save it that way, same with all sub-windows such as the time line and so forth.

Tip

Gildo Houtekamer · November 20th, 2006, 05:47 AM

@ Cody: I replaced it with the same processor.

@Tip: Thanks, I will look into that.
Done that and it works!
Thank you very much!

October 16th, 2006, 06:20 PM	#1
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	Enlighten me please..?! Got my new system for hdv cutting last week. Specs: Core 2 Duo 6700, Raid 0 2x300 Gig; Systemdisk 300 Gig; Matrox Parhelia; 2 Gigs of RAM; Adobe Premiere Pro 2. Installed the Cineform codec. Used HD link to make the avi's. Premiere Pro locks up, freezes etc. time and time again. So then I tried the standard HDV project in Prem 2. Everything looked fine, but my system reboots randomly. Question: Systemrelated? Not enough RAM? How many hours of hdv footage [Cineform Avi's or M2t files] should my new system be able to load. I need at least 3 hours in one project. Thanks in advance.

October 16th, 2006, 06:32 PM	#2
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	I would get your RAM tested. You should not be rebooting on a nice new system like that. Cineform AVI takes about 40GB per hour of video. So you can easily hold 5 hours worth before you start to fill up the drives too full. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

October 18th, 2006, 03:01 PM	#6
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	Thanks for answering. I will look into that because the pc crashed again 3 times this day... My current power supply is 400 Watts. [not enough...?] Today I had the VIA disabled in the bios and replaced with an old Fire Wire card. During testing in the shop everything worked good; no crashes, no freezes. I could export to tape like I should, and importing files in Premiere Pro 2 in a Premiere HDV project, so that's resolved. The man at the shop suggested it also could be the extended harddrive. Well, some searching and checking to do tomorrow again. By the way: I still have an absolute no-go with the Cineform codec. It installs perfectly, I can open Pro 2 and create a project, but when I am importing the pc stops and hangs after a while. Manually rebooting is the only solution. I can't get it any further: Is it impossible to load one hour of Cineform avi's in one time? Brr... Again the 'Machine_check_Exception' Going back to the shop tomorrow -again- I can't resolve this; it has got to be a hardware thing... Last edited by Gildo Houtekamer; October 18th, 2006 at 05:27 PM.

November 5th, 2006, 03:39 PM	#7
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	solution... After replacing almost all the parts of the pc [memory, motherboard, power supply, Fire Wire card] it turned out to be the proc. Replaced by a new one and all is going well. No more strange behaviour. Thanks for the replies -happy cutting!-

November 20th, 2006, 01:47 AM	#11
Tip McPartland Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Crestline, California Posts: 351	Two independent works fine... I was disturbed when I had to set my Parhelia up that way (two independent computer monitors, then the HDTV), but it seems to work as if the two computer monitors are one big one, with application windows stretching right across them. But please note, an application IS confined to one monitor when "full screen" but if you make the application window a variable size, you can stretch it right across both screens and save it that way, same with all sub-windows such as the time line and so forth. Tip

October 17th, 2006, 01:35 AM	#3
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	Thanks Steven, Problem seems indeed to be system related [ "Machine_check_exception"] The system won't start up anymore... Going to the shop today. -glad it isn't Cineform-

October 17th, 2006, 01:47 PM	#4
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	Well, it wasn't the system... Found out my motherboard has a VIA chip onboard for 1394. I am going to give it a try tomorrow

October 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM	#5
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	Check your power supply. Power supplies are often the first thing to go and as they start underpowering things like memory and graphics engines, the problems often look like something else.

November 19th, 2006, 08:37 AM	#9
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	Yes it was. The proc was instable and caused the pc to reboot. One more thing though: I am now using the Aspect hd trial version with 2 analog lcd monitors and a hd television setup, but... I can only watch my hd output in the non stretched mode. [2 monitors independent mode and 1 hdtv] During cutting I have to reboot to stretched mode to get a view on my second lcd monitor. Can't figure out to get my preview on the second monitor and let my wife and children watch on the big screen during cutting at the same time... ...since you're looking at a similar setup...

November 19th, 2006, 08:15 PM	#10
Cody Dulock Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: arlington, texas Posts: 420	did you replace it with the same processor or a different model? from my understanding you should be able to have your windows stretched across your two computer monitors then an out put for premiere's playback through a separate monitor. you might check out the adobe.com forums for the answer...

November 20th, 2006, 05:47 AM	#12
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	@ Cody: I replaced it with the same processor. @Tip: Thanks, I will look into that. Done that and it works! Thank you very much! Last edited by Gildo Houtekamer; November 20th, 2006 at 11:55 AM.