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#106 |
Tourist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
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HDMI compared to HDV
Hello,
Just curious, has anyone captured HDMI via Blackmagic while recording to tape, and then captured the HDV version and comparing the difference to see the damage that going to HDV does? Thanks, Ron |
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CTO, CineForm Inc.
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Read my lastest blog entry on this subject : http://cineform.blogspot.com/index.html The pixelcorps guys just did this test.
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#108 |
Major Player
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London, UK
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Prospect HD questions
Hi there,
I'm planning to finally make the leap to HD. I've done a price comparison for upgrading to a fully uncompressed HD system with a RAID6 array versus buying the Cineform "Ingest (HD-SDI & component HD I/O) bundle". It looks like I'll save a few hundred quid by going for the Cineform option and I also like the fact that the Cineform option will give me far less data backup and archive headaches. Please may I ask some questions about Prospect HD: 1) What is the price of the Prospect HD-Ingest + (HD-SDI & component HD I/O) bundle for UK customers? The US price is $3989. Will the UK price be around £2030? (That currency conversion was done on XE.com). 2) Can I ingest HD-SDI to Cineform RAW? Or is Cineform RAW only available when capturing directly from the Silicon Imaging cameras? 3) I've heard that Cineform are developing a 4:4:4 codec. Will that be a free update to Prospect HD? Will I be able to ingest dual-link HD-SDI to Cineform 4:4:4? 4) Which AJA card is supplied with the Prospect HD ingest + (HD-SDI & component HD I/O) bundle? Is the card PCI-e? 5) is my processor fast enough for ingesting HD-SDI to Cineform? I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 running at 2.2GHz with 3GB of RAM. 6) Which performs best with Cineform & AJA - WinXP-64bit or WinXP-32bit? 7) Will Prospect HD with the bundled AJA card downconvert to SD on the fly so I can symaltaneously monitor in SD and HD? 8) Will Cineform support Premiere Pro CS3 and AE CS3? Sorry for all the questions! Thanks in advance, Jack Last edited by Jack Kelly; March 29th, 2007 at 03:13 AM. Reason: fixing typos |
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Regarding 444 ingest, you will need an AJA Xena 2K card and Prospect 2K, BUT we don't currently support that card yet. We will support it sometime in the next couple months however. In the mean time the 444 codec is best used for rendering into or out of. Also, no product announcement here, but the visual quality testing we did vs HDCam SR was performed on a Wafian D2D recorder prototype that used a Xena 2K card. Quote:
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Brilliant! Thanks loads for the very swift and informative reply.
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Yes, you can do exactly as you describe. You can always capture uncompressed and render into any resolution or chroma format CineForm files. But ... Aspect HD is not the right product - AHD is limited to HDV 4:2:2 resolution (1440x1080) upon rendering. Our RGB 4:4:4 codec will be part of Prospect 2K which is what you will need. Also...we are making some product announcements ahead of NAB that I think everybody will like, including both features and pricing updates, and rolling our 444 technology into the mix. Remember, we haven't formally announced it yet, so I don't want to go into all those details quite yet. Quote:
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#112 |
Major Player
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London, UK
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Brilliant, thanks loads for your reply.
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#113 |
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Prospect Rocks!
Tonight I'm watching the timeline on what is the final render of four-month long project. Not that I worked all four-months on it, mind you, but a particularly difficult shoot that involved four separate shoots in three locations covering a rather simple or routine Peripherally inserted central line catheter (or PICC for short).
The shoot was my first experiment in HD, and so involved a Sony HDR-HC1, a rented HVX200, and some follow-up with my newly acquired Canon XH-G1. This is not a high-end, heavy budget, Hollywood feature. It's more or less your basic product instructional video that will appeal to a small niche audience: The nurses who are taking over the responsibility of placing PICCs. So, other than praise from my boss, it's unlikely I'll get any nominations or awards for this work. So, then why bother even posting? Well, it's not the content that makes Prospect what it is; it's what prospect can do to the content. When I started this project some months ago, I cracked open my newly install Premiere Pro 1.5 and tried working in HDV. It was a struggle in futility. Fortunately I read about cineform on this forum and installed the Prospect trial. A simple test convinced me to start over from scratch and recapture and convert the media to CFHD. Unfortunately the project hit a long delay, and my trial expired before I could resume. Resolved, I halted production and editing until a budget was drawn to purchase a prospect license. In fact, I would not be using Premiere today if it wasn't for cineform. I don't care how fast a machine is, as there are very few faster than a BOXX 7400 quad, as raw horses don't make a good thoroughbred like Cineform. Second, I believe that cineform, like any software, is only good as the folks whom stand behind it, and I am convinced that both Jake Segraves and David Newman are on my team. I'd have to pay a consultants fee to get the same service elsewhere. The bottom line is that it's a great feeling to have a system of support and software, comparable to high budget Hollywood production, in the hands of the everyday average editing grunt like me. To think that I no longer have to be the expert at keying 4:1:1 dv, or being able to perform real 10bit color correction rather than just reading about in a rag, and wishing I have the six-figure budget needed to do even half the things I can do now. To watch folks walk by an HD monitor, stop and stare at something that I shot and cut, and the finished piece looks exactly like the edit right on the timeline! To wonder who managed to cough up the huge budget to get that kind of quality? Yeah, Prospect Rocks!
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#114 |
Major Player
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Patterson La.
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will Prospect 2k?
When will CineForm 2k/I be able to make HDlink = to Machina?
I would love to have the same features/framerates/Control ,422 control guys please)that Machina has but with a CineForm back, and extras. |
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#115 |
CTO, CineForm Inc.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California
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Of course HDLink does a lot more than Machina. However AJA might add CineForm compression to Machina if enough ask.
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#116 |
Major Player
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Patterson La.
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I would love that
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#117 |
Major Player
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Patterson La.
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I guess the day we can boot from the same OS Drive with both would be cool too.
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#118 |
CTO, CineForm Inc.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California
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Again an AJA request. ;)
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#119 |
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA.
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Prospect v3 problem.
I have downloaded Prospect V3 upgrade, uninstalled Aspect and installed Prospect.
On existing already captured files (AspectHD and its HDLink function) it works fine but on new captures in HD link, it has a problem. On capture and conversion in HD link, the capture rolls through to the end but the conversion stalls. Indicated CPU usage is practically zero but close out of Prospect, start another app and it hangs. CPU usage is then reported as 100%. Capturing the M2T file works fine on its own. Separately converting the M2T file also stalls. Despite there being no scene detection selected, the conversion runs to 76mb, suggests the job as done by the "start" tile re-appearing. The separately completed .avi file plays fine. The uncompleted .avi file locks the whole system up into 100% CPU usage if any attempt is made to play it. The M2T file plays fine in VideoLan. My computer OS is XP Professional with Service Pack 2 installed. NLE is Premiere Pro 2. With Aspect HD installed, everything worked trouble-free so this new turn of events is a bit of a worry. The computer however is a no-name and not an Adobe approved system. In an earlier separate enquiry relating to 2K files I got this advice here at dvinfo. "You may want to consider either NEO HD ($599) or NEO 2K ($799) for converting DPX files up to 1920x1080 4:2:2 10-bit or 2048x2048 4:4:4 12-bit. You can upgrade Aspect HD to Prospect HD for only $400 this month and that comes with NEO HD." In the Prospect v3 that I have installed, I can find no reference to DPX fles or Neo HD. Is the Neo HD function buried in the guts somewhere slaving away in the background? Any advice appreciated. Last edited by Bob Hart; May 7th, 2007 at 07:19 AM. Reason: errors |
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#120 |
CTO, CineForm Inc.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California
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Try a reinstall as if Aspect HD work Prospect HD will. NEO HD is in the guts of Prospect, however the DPX conversion has not been added yet -- in the meantime use After Effects for DPX conversions.
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