Drop or Non-Drop Frames ? at DVinfo.net

Paul Kepen · June 24th, 2006, 04:56 PM

In PPro 1.5.1 do I want 30fps dropped, or non-dropped?
I just noticed that I have the "project" settings one way, and the DVD encoding the other way. What would be the effect of this on the output?

Also, when I launch PPro 1.5.1, the Cineform box comes up at the start, but where it lists in black the "version 4.1", I only see the top half of those letters. Is this normal? I have a Sony 19" LCD model HS94p operation at 1280x1024.

Thanks for the help - pk

David Newman · June 24th, 2006, 05:10 PM

Drop vs Non-Drop only effects the timecode, not which frames are presented. No need to worry.

I'll have to look into the verison number thing.

Paul Kepen · June 27th, 2006, 01:39 PM

Thanks David. I just can't figure out what it could be. The Cineform CF avi's are clear and perfect. When I make DVD from Vegas, they look great. From Adobe I get very poor results. Obviously its something in PPro. I either get somewhat fuzzy results if I burn DVD from PPro 1.5.1, or if I follow the Cineform advice on the intermediate avi file, I get a great deal of combing, interlaced flicker, and artifacting in general-especially on anything that is moving, or if I was moving the camera. I also notice like a ghost image on moving objects, that is not there when I use Vegas, or just play and pause the CF captured files. The drop/non drop was the only setting that I could find that was different. Curiously in Vegas they don't even have a drop/nondrop option. I guess the moral of the story is to just use Vegas cause it works.

David Newman · June 27th, 2006, 01:54 PM

sounds like you are getting the interlaced handling wrong -- file a trouble ticket.

Juan Oropeza · June 27th, 2006, 03:17 PM

Paul,

Just wanted to let you know that Vegas 6 does have a drop/non-drop setting. Just look under the project properties and then ruler tab. If you look under the ruler time format, you will be able to change it there!

regards,
Juan

Paul Kepen · June 27th, 2006, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

sounds like you are getting the interlaced handling wrong -- file a trouble ticket.

Thanks Juan, but it works in Vegas, so I won't screw with it. I've tried it both drop and non-drop in PPro and no difference.

David, I agree its in the interlacing. Strange, though, I noticed that when I used HD Link with Vegas, I had both the original CFHDCap mpeg2, and the CFHDCap avi's. The CFHDcap avi's look great. The CFHDCap mpeg2 is messed up, just like my PPro output. A vetical line, ie fence post, telephone pole, etc, looks like it has comb edges instead of a nice straight vetical line. I will try submitting a ticket, unless this info helps explain the problem. Thanks - PK

June 24th, 2006, 04:56 PM	#1
Paul Kepen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis Minnesota Posts: 347	Drop or Non-Drop Frames ? In PPro 1.5.1 do I want 30fps dropped, or non-dropped? I just noticed that I have the "project" settings one way, and the DVD encoding the other way. What would be the effect of this on the output? Also, when I launch PPro 1.5.1, the Cineform box comes up at the start, but where it lists in black the "version 4.1", I only see the top half of those letters. Is this normal? I have a Sony 19" LCD model HS94p operation at 1280x1024. Thanks for the help - pk

June 24th, 2006, 05:10 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Drop vs Non-Drop only effects the timecode, not which frames are presented. No need to worry. I'll have to look into the verison number thing. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 27th, 2006, 01:39 PM	#3
Paul Kepen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis Minnesota Posts: 347	Thanks Thanks David. I just can't figure out what it could be. The Cineform CF avi's are clear and perfect. When I make DVD from Vegas, they look great. From Adobe I get very poor results. Obviously its something in PPro. I either get somewhat fuzzy results if I burn DVD from PPro 1.5.1, or if I follow the Cineform advice on the intermediate avi file, I get a great deal of combing, interlaced flicker, and artifacting in general-especially on anything that is moving, or if I was moving the camera. I also notice like a ghost image on moving objects, that is not there when I use Vegas, or just play and pause the CF captured files. The drop/non drop was the only setting that I could find that was different. Curiously in Vegas they don't even have a drop/nondrop option. I guess the moral of the story is to just use Vegas cause it works.

June 27th, 2006, 01:54 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	sounds like you are getting the interlaced handling wrong -- file a trouble ticket. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 27th, 2006, 03:17 PM	#5
Juan Oropeza Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 32	Paul, Just wanted to let you know that Vegas 6 does have a drop/non-drop setting. Just look under the project properties and then ruler tab. If you look under the ruler time format, you will be able to change it there! regards, Juan