CineForm and AVCHD

Kevin Shaw · January 2nd, 2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacy Rothwell

I still happily use my Z1, but my wife doesn't like it... "too many knobs buttons and switches and it's too heavy!" So she wants a new small palm-sized camcorder to video the kids, et al.

For what it's worth, I bought a Sony HC1 and my wife likes that for similar reasons compared to the FX1. Main problem with the HC1 is that it's not very good in poor lighting, so for indoor shots it's a bit iffy.

Chris Barcellos · October 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM

David: What is story with Canon's HG10, and its version of AVCHD. Will NeoHDV convert these files straight off the hard drive ?

David Newman · October 16th, 2007, 09:01 AM

Yes, if you have a AVC demux and decoder installed on your PC. You can tell if you have the correct components installed by playing the AVC clip in Media player. Decoder solutions like CoreAVC are promising, particularly as it is only $15 (see coreavc.com.) Elecard, PowerDVD and Nero all have AVC decoding solutions -- nothing is perfect yet.

Once you can play in media player, HDLink will convert your AVCHD to a CineForm AVI.

Chris Barcellos · October 16th, 2007, 11:19 AM

Thanks. I assume whatever is packed with Vegas 8 doesn't help. I actually can look at AVCHD files in Vegas, and render to a Cineform intermediate, but my guess is I won't be able to do pulldown correctly.

Stephen Eastwood · December 5th, 2007, 01:24 AM

I hear it works, though I have never been able to work out all the problems I had initially with several systems, but I figure now cineform has worked many out for Vista related issues if that was the problem. So now I also have an HG10 that I play with, and was curious what the speed of conversion was from the harddrive or an internal drive of the mts files to a cineform avi with 24frame pulldown?

Chris Barcellos · December 5th, 2007, 01:34 AM

Stephen:

Check out this entire thread where discussion of Cineform and HG10 is covered. In particular look around post 38 for some specifics of how to use Cineform.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=105621

In Vegas, I have taken a 24p MTS file from on line shot in 1080i 60i edited on a Vegas time line, and rendered to an .m2t cineform .avi file. And tried pull down removal after that. It seemed to work.

Chris Barcellos · January 7th, 2008, 12:21 PM

David and Cineform Crew:

When the HG10 came out, there was some discussion about being able to convert AVCHD to the Cineform intermediate codec. At one point, I know some work arounds were required, but that it was doable. Those work arounds required some ability to reset what codecs were used, etc.

Have these issues been worked out so all the NeoHDV user has to do is install NeoHDV, and a proper codec is included ?

David Newman · January 7th, 2008, 01:15 PM

We still do not include an AVCHD decoder, yet the $15 version from http://www.coreavc.com/ works well with NEO and HDLink for conversion.

Douglas Figueredo · January 14th, 2008, 07:03 PM

Hi All - question - I have a Canon HG10 which shoots native 1920x1080 HD video, but then gets downconverted and interlaced to 1440x1080 AVCHD. It says that it's 1080 60i and I think that means it's interlaced and is progressive 30? Is the correct setting in CineForm HDLink (I have AspectHD)to make it interlaced, progressive or automatic? I'm then going into After Effects/PP to edit. I've tested and tried so many combinations that I'm burned out and can't think anymore, so any clarification or advice is very much appreciated. Thanks!

Douglas Figueredo · January 16th, 2008, 04:35 PM

Hi All - in case anyone is looking for camera specific settings . . .it IS on the Cineform website at: http://www.cineform.com/products/Tec...apSettings.htm
There's so much to learn. . . good luck to all!

Laurence Kingston · February 8th, 2008, 03:29 PM

I'm trying to convert a directory of AVCHD clips into Cineform using HDLink. The video looks great but there is no audio in the converted clips. Anyone have an idea of what might be going wrong?

John Kert · February 24th, 2008, 10:45 PM

I have a Canon HG10. The file extention in the camera Hard Drive is .MTS.
Cineform will not convert this either directly from the camera or from a folder in the computer.
Is there a way to convert this (MPG4) file to Cineform? I have NeoHDV and Vegas Pro8. Thank you.
John Kert

David Newman · February 25th, 2008, 12:24 AM

You need a AVC Decoder. Purchase Core AVC for $15 (http://www.coreavc.com/) it works well.

John Kert · February 25th, 2008, 01:14 PM

Thank you David. I installed CoreAVC, but HDlink still says: unrecognized file. Do I need to do anything else?
What are the steps to convert?
thanks

David Newman · February 25th, 2008, 01:21 PM

If you can play the file in Window Media Player it will convert. Some how, even with an installed AVC decoder, your PC isn't seeing the decoder. Try the WMP test, if that fails you my need to reinstall the AVC Decoder, if that works, please file a trouble ticket at www.cineform.com/support.

October 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM	#17
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	HG10 and Neo HDV David: What is story with Canon's HG10, and its version of AVCHD. Will NeoHDV convert these files straight off the hard drive ? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

October 16th, 2007, 09:01 AM	#18
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes, if you have a AVC demux and decoder installed on your PC. You can tell if you have the correct components installed by playing the AVC clip in Media player. Decoder solutions like CoreAVC are promising, particularly as it is only $15 (see coreavc.com.) Elecard, PowerDVD and Nero all have AVC decoding solutions -- nothing is perfect yet. Once you can play in media player, HDLink will convert your AVCHD to a CineForm AVI. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 16th, 2007, 11:19 AM	#19
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Thanks. I assume whatever is packed with Vegas 8 doesn't help. I actually can look at AVCHD files in Vegas, and render to a Cineform intermediate, but my guess is I won't be able to do pulldown correctly. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

December 5th, 2007, 01:24 AM	#20
Stephen Eastwood Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Great Neck, NY Posts: 291	hg10 and cineform? I hear it works, though I have never been able to work out all the problems I had initially with several systems, but I figure now cineform has worked many out for Vista related issues if that was the problem. So now I also have an HG10 that I play with, and was curious what the speed of conversion was from the harddrive or an internal drive of the mts files to a cineform avi with 24frame pulldown? __________________ Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com

December 5th, 2007, 01:34 AM	#21
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Stephen: Check out this entire thread where discussion of Cineform and HG10 is covered. In particular look around post 38 for some specifics of how to use Cineform. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=105621 In Vegas, I have taken a 24p MTS file from on line shot in 1080i 60i edited on a Vegas time line, and rendered to an .m2t cineform .avi file. And tried pull down removal after that. It seemed to work. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

January 7th, 2008, 12:21 PM	#22
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	NeoHDV Support for new Canon VIXIA HF10 David and Cineform Crew: When the HG10 came out, there was some discussion about being able to convert AVCHD to the Cineform intermediate codec. At one point, I know some work arounds were required, but that it was doable. Those work arounds required some ability to reset what codecs were used, etc. Have these issues been worked out so all the NeoHDV user has to do is install NeoHDV, and a proper codec is included ? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

January 7th, 2008, 01:15 PM	#23
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	We still do not include an AVCHD decoder, yet the $15 version from http://www.coreavc.com/ works well with NEO and HDLink for conversion. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 14th, 2008, 07:03 PM	#24
Douglas Figueredo New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 15	1080 60i HDLink settings? Hi All - question - I have a Canon HG10 which shoots native 1920x1080 HD video, but then gets downconverted and interlaced to 1440x1080 AVCHD. It says that it's 1080 60i and I think that means it's interlaced and is progressive 30? Is the correct setting in CineForm HDLink (I have AspectHD)to make it interlaced, progressive or automatic? I'm then going into After Effects/PP to edit. I've tested and tried so many combinations that I'm burned out and can't think anymore, so any clarification or advice is very much appreciated. Thanks!

January 16th, 2008, 04:35 PM	#25
Douglas Figueredo New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 15	Found it Hi All - in case anyone is looking for camera specific settings . . .it IS on the Cineform website at: http://www.cineform.com/products/Tec...apSettings.htm There's so much to learn. . . good luck to all!

February 8th, 2008, 03:29 PM	#26
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	HDLink loses the audio on AVCHD conversion I'm trying to convert a directory of AVCHD clips into Cineform using HDLink. The video looks great but there is no audio in the converted clips. Anyone have an idea of what might be going wrong?

February 24th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#27
John Kert New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 6	Canon HG10 & Cineform I have a Canon HG10. The file extention in the camera Hard Drive is .MTS. Cineform will not convert this either directly from the camera or from a folder in the computer. Is there a way to convert this (MPG4) file to Cineform? I have NeoHDV and Vegas Pro8. Thank you. John Kert

February 25th, 2008, 12:24 AM	#28
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	You need a AVC Decoder. Purchase Core AVC for $15 (http://www.coreavc.com/) it works well. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 25th, 2008, 01:14 PM	#29
John Kert New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 6	Thank you David. I installed CoreAVC, but HDlink still says: unrecognized file. Do I need to do anything else? What are the steps to convert? thanks

February 25th, 2008, 01:21 PM	#30
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	If you can play the file in Window Media Player it will convert. Some how, even with an installed AVC decoder, your PC isn't seeing the decoder. Try the WMP test, if that fails you my need to reinstall the AVC Decoder, if that works, please file a trouble ticket at www.cineform.com/support. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman