Preview to Monitor works in scrub, not play... at DVinfo.net

James Huenergardt · March 15th, 2006, 04:29 PM

Hi,

I have a eVGA 7800 GT and it's set up to show video on my second monitor. It works great with WMP and Quicktime, as well as scrubbing from the timeline.

However, playing from the timeline doesn't work unless I scrub or step through using the arrow keys.

Any ideas?

Jim

Graham Hickling · March 17th, 2006, 12:33 PM

One clue: your problem is probably with the way teh videocard is providing video overlay. PPro doesnt use the overlay when scrubbing, but does for full playback.

Depending on settings, dual monitor configs sometime display overlay video on one monitor but not the other. What happens when you drag the playback window to the other monitor?

James Huenergardt · March 17th, 2006, 01:03 PM

Well, Cineform Tech Support asked if I had installed all the Windows updates. Once I did that, it took care of it.

It just doesn't start playing the video when I press the space bar, a bit of a delay. I guess that's the nature of HDV until I get a MUCh faster computer.

Dual AMD Opteron 246 4 GIG RAM eVGA 7800 GT card.

Steven J Payne · April 19th, 2006, 09:32 AM

I'm trying out Aspect HD with PPro 2 and am having the same issue with seeing the timeline on a second monitor as it plays...just get black, and the preview monitor in PPro 2 also goes black. However, I can scrub or place the cursor anywhere on the timeline and see video on both monitors. Now, if I render the clips first, then I see the timeline play back as expected on both monitors, with a slight delay on the second monitor as mentioned by James. I am using an Adobe approved graphics card (ATI 9800 Pro), so I'm surprised by this issue. As it is I would not buy Aspect HD with this kind of performance. Is there a setting I am missing or am I stuck? TIA

David Newman · April 19th, 2006, 09:42 AM

As they both go back -- you have a setup issue. I have the same ATI card and it works great. The fact that you have to render first, sound like you are doing something wrong. You shouldn't have to render with CineForm AVI clips in a CineForm edit mode. Are you trying to play mpeg clips?

Steven J Payne · April 19th, 2006, 02:09 PM

Now that you mention it, yes, they are Mpeg files I got from someone else, because I have not yet purchased an HDV camcorder, and thus cannot capture my own clips yet. I totally spaced that this would not be using the Cineform intermediary format for editing. Can you direct me to some Cineform captured clips I could us for trial purposes? Thanks!

David Newman · April 19th, 2006, 02:24 PM

You can convert those Mpeg files using the HDLink tool that comes with the Aspect HD installation. Look inside the start menu under CineForm/Aspect HD. If they are *.mpeg you may need to rename them the correct *.m2t -- otherwise the conversion tool work on any MPEG transport stream file.

Steven J Payne · April 19th, 2006, 03:05 PM

I had not dug in that deep yet, but thank you, it solved the first issue. Unfortunately, I am suffering from a 2-3 second lag in video playing on my second monitor once I hit the space bar to preview the timeline...this does not happen in the preview window inside PPro. You mentioned having the same graphics card working great for you, so any suggestions?

David Newman · April 19th, 2006, 03:35 PM

There is a monitor refesh on the external display that causes that, which is mostly out of our control. That seems much longer then my ATI, but mine does it as well (although for work purposes I uses a single 1920x1200 24" display -- which has no such issue.)

Steven J Payne · April 19th, 2006, 04:45 PM

I don't want to beat this issue to death, but I tried the converted Cineform AVIs in a HDV PPro project and do not have this lag on the 2nd monitor. Can you explain this for me?

David Newman · April 19th, 2006, 04:57 PM

Simply the PPro version runs much slower than Aspect HD, allowing a slower method to update the external monitor (avoiding the black frames.) Aspect HD has a playback accelerator for multi-stream real-time. It is the use of the accelerator that make Aspect HD different (along with higher quality codecs and a more features etc.)

March 15th, 2006, 04:29 PM	#1
James Huenergardt Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA Posts: 513	Preview to Monitor works in scrub, not play... Hi, I have a eVGA 7800 GT and it's set up to show video on my second monitor. It works great with WMP and Quicktime, as well as scrubbing from the timeline. However, playing from the timeline doesn't work unless I scrub or step through using the arrow keys. Any ideas? Jim

April 19th, 2006, 09:42 AM	#5
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	As they both go back -- you have a setup issue. I have the same ATI card and it works great. The fact that you have to render first, sound like you are doing something wrong. You shouldn't have to render with CineForm AVI clips in a CineForm edit mode. Are you trying to play mpeg clips? __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 19th, 2006, 02:24 PM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	You can convert those Mpeg files using the HDLink tool that comes with the Aspect HD installation. Look inside the start menu under CineForm/Aspect HD. If they are .mpeg you may need to rename them the correct .m2t -- otherwise the conversion tool work on any MPEG transport stream file. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 19th, 2006, 03:35 PM	#9
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	There is a monitor refesh on the external display that causes that, which is mostly out of our control. That seems much longer then my ATI, but mine does it as well (although for work purposes I uses a single 1920x1200 24" display -- which has no such issue.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 19th, 2006, 04:57 PM	#11
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Simply the PPro version runs much slower than Aspect HD, allowing a slower method to update the external monitor (avoiding the black frames.) Aspect HD has a playback accelerator for multi-stream real-time. It is the use of the accelerator that make Aspect HD different (along with higher quality codecs and a more features etc.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 17th, 2006, 12:33 PM	#2
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	One clue: your problem is probably with the way teh videocard is providing video overlay. PPro doesnt use the overlay when scrubbing, but does for full playback. Depending on settings, dual monitor configs sometime display overlay video on one monitor but not the other. What happens when you drag the playback window to the other monitor?

March 17th, 2006, 01:03 PM	#3
James Huenergardt Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA Posts: 513	Well, Cineform Tech Support asked if I had installed all the Windows updates. Once I did that, it took care of it. It just doesn't start playing the video when I press the space bar, a bit of a delay. I guess that's the nature of HDV until I get a MUCh faster computer. Dual AMD Opteron 246 4 GIG RAM eVGA 7800 GT card.

April 19th, 2006, 09:32 AM	#4
Steven J Payne Tourist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Posts: 4	I'm trying out Aspect HD with PPro 2 and am having the same issue with seeing the timeline on a second monitor as it plays...just get black, and the preview monitor in PPro 2 also goes black. However, I can scrub or place the cursor anywhere on the timeline and see video on both monitors. Now, if I render the clips first, then I see the timeline play back as expected on both monitors, with a slight delay on the second monitor as mentioned by James. I am using an Adobe approved graphics card (ATI 9800 Pro), so I'm surprised by this issue. As it is I would not buy Aspect HD with this kind of performance. Is there a setting I am missing or am I stuck? TIA

April 19th, 2006, 02:09 PM	#6
Steven J Payne Tourist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Posts: 4	Now that you mention it, yes, they are Mpeg files I got from someone else, because I have not yet purchased an HDV camcorder, and thus cannot capture my own clips yet. I totally spaced that this would not be using the Cineform intermediary format for editing. Can you direct me to some Cineform captured clips I could us for trial purposes? Thanks!

April 19th, 2006, 03:05 PM	#8
Steven J Payne Tourist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Posts: 4	I had not dug in that deep yet, but thank you, it solved the first issue. Unfortunately, I am suffering from a 2-3 second lag in video playing on my second monitor once I hit the space bar to preview the timeline...this does not happen in the preview window inside PPro. You mentioned having the same graphics card working great for you, so any suggestions?

April 19th, 2006, 04:45 PM	#10
Steven J Payne Tourist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Posts: 4	I don't want to beat this issue to death, but I tried the converted Cineform AVIs in a HDV PPro project and do not have this lag on the 2nd monitor. Can you explain this for me?