Cineform and Premiere Pro 2.0

Matt Vanecek · January 17th, 2006, 04:17 PM

well shutmymouth. There wasn't a specific "when is the release date" FAQ, so I didn't get past my primary point of interest (compatibility with PPro 1.5.1--FAQ #1). I didn't get to the upgrade FAQs because, well, I'm not upgrading.... ;)

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out...
Matt

Eric Lagerlof · January 17th, 2006, 10:39 PM

So, if I am getting this right:
PPro 1.5 had a free plug-in from Cineform that gave you some acceleration and allowed you to use m2t files in a OK way, making a say 3ghz p4 workable.

PPro 2.0 does not have any Cineform plug-in, needs a very supercharged computer to play even 1 HDV video layer at normal speed and what does it do when it composites?

So now, instead of buying PPro 1.5 and being able to do at least real-time basic editing on my 3.2 ghz laptop with the free CFHD plug-in, I have to get PPRo 2.0, a new powerful desktop and pay an extra $500.00 for the full version of Aspect? (No offense David, I'm just trying to build up a little more business before I buy your software.) Is this about right?

Jeff Baker · January 17th, 2006, 11:04 PM

I just saw the Adobe showcase at BAVC in SF tonight and I have to say the new integration is pretty sweet. A new feature that allows you to export video in a PDF file that allows for comments from others anywhere that have adobe reader was very impressive.

Adobe audtion is now integrated with a menu option that automatically opens any audio clip from premiere in audition and all changes are automatically applied (works better the old "edit orignal").

No mention of cineform was made however, so I would like to get clear on what to expect in that area soon.

Michael Stewart · January 18th, 2006, 08:31 AM

I could not pass up the upgrade, excited to finally have multicam editing, so I am downloading the upgrade as I write, I will post my Cineform /PPro 2 opinion after Friday:)

MIke

Jeff Baker · January 18th, 2006, 11:08 AM

Yes the multicam with the "punch in" editing option is very nice. But it did not run in real time in the demo I saw which was on a dual 2.8 system. But the presenter said if he had 2GB of ram on the system it would have been. I'm not sure however it was pretty jerky.
Still if you used the multicam plugin before then the integration in prem pro 2 looks like a must have.

Michael Stewart · January 18th, 2006, 07:05 PM

yep the multicam is not realtime, I have a new dual core 2.8 system 1 gig of ram, it still does the conforming thingy although they say not as much, but I imported an old project and it had to conform the whole works again, I personally don't nee the realtime on viewing the 4 windows I have to scrub slowly anyway to see what I want, but I will tell you that avids multicam is alot smoother, spent time with a friend of mine with a dual g5 mac and on final cut it still could not do realtime either, wonder if cineform will be able to do it? David? want to give it a try? I will keep updating as I go. The download is 1 GB by the way.

Mike

Pete Bauer · January 18th, 2006, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Stewart

yep the multicam is not realtime, I have a new dual core 2.8 system 1 gig of ram...
...wonder if cineform will be able to do it? David?
Mike

Michael and Jeff, what kind of video were you seeing that performed poorly in multi-cam? Was it DV, HDV, Cineform AVI, or something else? With, or without a Cineform product? Yes, will definitely look forward to Cineform comments on what to expect for overall performance, as well as multi-cam performance under PPro 2.0 / Aspect 4.0.

I looked on the Adobe site and couldn't find an option for either trial or purchase by download (yet) for the Production Suite. Where did you find that (even though I'm old fashioned enough to want the boxed, paper-manual product for a large suite like this).

Michael Stewart · January 18th, 2006, 09:45 PM

standard dv widescreen footage, on my Premiere pro 2 system and the friend of mines, dual g5, it also had to do a conform type of thing for it also before I could do it (multicam) in pro 2, I imagine that it will still be sluggish as great as cineform is, simply because the bit rates are the same? anyway, Avid is pretty cool in that it can have multiple resolutions on the same timeline.

Mike

Michael Stewart · January 18th, 2006, 09:57 PM

To make a statement about the "presenter" if it could have ran in realtime with more RAM, why did he not have it, he must have skipped that in his training, run the beefiest system so everything runs smooth as silk so it looks great at exhibits. The funny thing is that I could take premiere pro1.5, shrink the 4 videos to fit in the window and get better performance than what I have seen in PPro 2.0, not complaining, but logically I would not think it would be worse, I don't need the realtime "smooth scrubbing anyway" it just seems initially that more render before using is taking place than before, each version gets worse, it used to be conformed audio, now other items seem to require it before use, audio for instance I noticed in some instances you could not hear it until it reached that particular track and completely conformed it, used to be if you double clicked it and played it in the monitor window it would focus the conform to that clip because you were working on it, gave it priority in a sense, or in the timeline I could still play it back while it was conforming, does not seem to be the case, why cant it capture it on the fly from the tape and convert it anyway, or let us edit the darn thing and then conform it, I hate the fact that all old projects have to completely reconform and rerender the stuff, now keep in mind these were observations after 30 minutes of use, only wanting to do/try the multicam.

Mike

Jeff Baker · January 19th, 2006, 12:49 AM

Video at the presentation was HD footage imported thru AJA card I think (Does AJA work with pc?). So it was uncompressed on the timeline but I think it gracefully degraded during previews and then started stuttering. This was with 4 mulitcam windows open.

John Hewat · January 22nd, 2006, 02:59 AM

Adobe lists the requirements of PPro 2.0 as being an SSE2 enabled processor for AMDs.

How do I know if my dual core AMD 4400+ is SSE2 enabled?

Graham Hickling · January 22nd, 2006, 03:27 AM

Google it!

For example see this link: http://shop.resellerratings.com/PD-2...19/vk-25208512

Or, if you want to interrogate your own system, run the lite version of SiSoft Sandra available at www.sisoftware.net and select the "CPU/Bios Information" module.

January 17th, 2006, 11:04 PM	#33
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	just saw it tonight I just saw the Adobe showcase at BAVC in SF tonight and I have to say the new integration is pretty sweet. A new feature that allows you to export video in a PDF file that allows for comments from others anywhere that have adobe reader was very impressive. Adobe audtion is now integrated with a menu option that automatically opens any audio clip from premiere in audition and all changes are automatically applied (works better the old "edit orignal"). No mention of cineform was made however, so I would like to get clear on what to expect in that area soon. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

January 18th, 2006, 11:08 AM	#35
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	Yes the multicam with the "punch in" editing option is very nice. But it did not run in real time in the demo I saw which was on a dual 2.8 system. But the presenter said if he had 2GB of ram on the system it would have been. I'm not sure however it was pretty jerky. Still if you used the multicam plugin before then the integration in prem pro 2 looks like a must have. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

January 19th, 2006, 12:49 AM	#40
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	Video at the presentation was HD footage imported thru AJA card I think (Does AJA work with pc?). So it was uncompressed on the timeline but I think it gracefully degraded during previews and then started stuttering. This was with 4 mulitcam windows open. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

January 17th, 2006, 04:17 PM	#31
Matt Vanecek Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 334	well shutmymouth. There wasn't a specific "when is the release date" FAQ, so I didn't get past my primary point of interest (compatibility with PPro 1.5.1--FAQ #1). I didn't get to the upgrade FAQs because, well, I'm not upgrading.... ;) Thanks. I'll keep an eye out... Matt

January 17th, 2006, 10:39 PM	#32
Eric Lagerlof Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 348	So, if I am getting this right: PPro 1.5 had a free plug-in from Cineform that gave you some acceleration and allowed you to use m2t files in a OK way, making a say 3ghz p4 workable. PPro 2.0 does not have any Cineform plug-in, needs a very supercharged computer to play even 1 HDV video layer at normal speed and what does it do when it composites? So now, instead of buying PPro 1.5 and being able to do at least real-time basic editing on my 3.2 ghz laptop with the free CFHD plug-in, I have to get PPRo 2.0, a new powerful desktop and pay an extra $500.00 for the full version of Aspect? (No offense David, I'm just trying to build up a little more business before I buy your software.) Is this about right?

January 18th, 2006, 08:31 AM	#34
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	I could not pass up the upgrade, excited to finally have multicam editing, so I am downloading the upgrade as I write, I will post my Cineform /PPro 2 opinion after Friday:) MIke

January 18th, 2006, 07:05 PM	#36
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	yep the multicam is not realtime, I have a new dual core 2.8 system 1 gig of ram, it still does the conforming thingy although they say not as much, but I imported an old project and it had to conform the whole works again, I personally don't nee the realtime on viewing the 4 windows I have to scrub slowly anyway to see what I want, but I will tell you that avids multicam is alot smoother, spent time with a friend of mine with a dual g5 mac and on final cut it still could not do realtime either, wonder if cineform will be able to do it? David? want to give it a try? I will keep updating as I go. The download is 1 GB by the way. Mike

January 18th, 2006, 09:45 PM	#38
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	standard dv widescreen footage, on my Premiere pro 2 system and the friend of mines, dual g5, it also had to do a conform type of thing for it also before I could do it (multicam) in pro 2, I imagine that it will still be sluggish as great as cineform is, simply because the bit rates are the same? anyway, Avid is pretty cool in that it can have multiple resolutions on the same timeline. Mike

January 18th, 2006, 09:57 PM	#39
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	To make a statement about the "presenter" if it could have ran in realtime with more RAM, why did he not have it, he must have skipped that in his training, run the beefiest system so everything runs smooth as silk so it looks great at exhibits. The funny thing is that I could take premiere pro1.5, shrink the 4 videos to fit in the window and get better performance than what I have seen in PPro 2.0, not complaining, but logically I would not think it would be worse, I don't need the realtime "smooth scrubbing anyway" it just seems initially that more render before using is taking place than before, each version gets worse, it used to be conformed audio, now other items seem to require it before use, audio for instance I noticed in some instances you could not hear it until it reached that particular track and completely conformed it, used to be if you double clicked it and played it in the monitor window it would focus the conform to that clip because you were working on it, gave it priority in a sense, or in the timeline I could still play it back while it was conforming, does not seem to be the case, why cant it capture it on the fly from the tape and convert it anyway, or let us edit the darn thing and then conform it, I hate the fact that all old projects have to completely reconform and rerender the stuff, now keep in mind these were observations after 30 minutes of use, only wanting to do/try the multicam. Mike

January 22nd, 2006, 02:59 AM	#41
John Hewat Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, AUSTRALIA Posts: 735	Adobe lists the requirements of PPro 2.0 as being an SSE2 enabled processor for AMDs. How do I know if my dual core AMD 4400+ is SSE2 enabled?

January 22nd, 2006, 03:27 AM	#42
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Google it! For example see this link: http://shop.resellerratings.com/PD-2...19/vk-25208512 Or, if you want to interrogate your own system, run the lite version of SiSoft Sandra available at www.sisoftware.net and select the "CPU/Bios Information" module.