its gone all cheap.. not sure at DVinfo.net

Craig Maret · April 19th, 2011, 04:31 PM

Sorry for the odd title

but is it just me or anyone else feel a bit miffed about spending loads of money on cineform products over the last few years only to see the product now reduced to small change?

I bought aspect-then upgraded that a few times-then prospect upgrade cost me loads- then paid for what seemed like a downgrade to neohd for cs5 compatability.....I know im moaning but this price change left me feeling a bit like a mug. Wow if I had paid the crazy money neo3d was last week I would be having palputations.

I know everything changes but cineform should give some recognition to those that invested heavily in their products.

I aint sure if I should be happy or angry or what...so sorry if im venting steam.
what do others feel?

EDIT - Ok I read cf site again and theyve now made neo a unified product with an 8k support n 4:4:4: + alpha channel...softens the shock a bit

Does the neo3d have same functionality with the 3d stuff also included? I dont use 3d but if neo3d has same functions as neo it could be worth the upgrade.

Sejin Park · April 19th, 2011, 04:59 PM

not a week before...but I purchased neo 3d only a month ago and I feel stupid now..

I had to pay more than 4G on it. (tax, local distributor's price policy...etc..)

well..I wish I can get "studio professional" for upgrade..

David Newman · April 19th, 2011, 05:53 PM

We have policies to make prior users happy. Assuming we didn't is weird, as we have always done well by our customers. NeoHD users should be happy with the extra features. Neo3D users get issued 3X the number of seats (we found most needed the extra licenses,) and for purchasers in March or April (really recent) get complete GoPro 3D camera rig, thanks to our new owners. Lower pricing helps everyone, more users with pro features will help drive wider support.

Sejin Park · April 19th, 2011, 07:13 PM

That's what I exactly wanted.

I thought about extra licenses will be great but I didn't mentioned it because it might sounds ridicule.

I guess now I can edit both of my laptop and desktop, on location and on suite! Another great news and great customer support from Cineform.

Also, I was about to order GoPro 3D rig as well.. I'm pretty sure David read my mind.

David Wayne Groves · April 19th, 2011, 08:08 PM

Seems I can upgrade from Neoscene to NeoHD for $170.00...very tempting..... just a couple of months ago it was over $300...

Laurence Kingston · April 19th, 2011, 09:39 PM

I spent what for me is a lot of money on the Neo HD upgrade not too long ago. It seems that now there isn't a Neo HD per se, that the new product is now simply called Neo. Is there also an upgrade path from Neo HD to Neo 3D for those of us who have the higher amounts invested in this product? I don't need the 3d right now, but if the price is right I might upgrade anyway.

Ray Bell · April 19th, 2011, 09:55 PM

You do feel like you got cheated a little bit, but that feeling goes away over time...
well, I'd still like to get back the Premier extra's that I lost the last time we did this...
thats when I paid $1500 for the software and it went down to $1000.. and now its down to $300 ??? Wow, just thinking what I could do with $1200 right about now...
I'm sure it'll all work out in the end....

Glad others will benefit from all of this...

John Cline · April 19th, 2011, 10:11 PM

Doesn't bother me in the least, I made money with it and paid for the investment many times over.

Roger Averdahl · April 20th, 2011, 02:41 AM

I have no problems with that. If i have supported CineForm as a company by buying their products so they can survive and improve their products i am satisfied. :)

Nicholas de Kock · April 20th, 2011, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Wayne Groves

Seems I can upgrade from Neoscene to NeoHD for $170.00...very tempting..... just a couple of months ago it was over $300...

Thanks for making me aware of this, exciting times for Cineform & all of us.

Jake Segraves · April 21st, 2011, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Wayne Groves

Seems I can upgrade from Neoscene to NeoHD for $170.00...very tempting..... just a couple of months ago it was over $300...

In upgrading from NeoScene to the new Neo (or Studio Premium), you're technically getting all the features from Neo4K too, which just a week ago was $999!

Jake Segraves · April 21st, 2011, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurence Kingston

I spent what for me is a lot of money on the Neo HD upgrade not too long ago. It seems that now there isn't a Neo HD per se, that the new product is now simply called Neo. Is there also an upgrade path from Neo HD to Neo 3D for those of us who have the higher amounts invested in this product? I don't need the 3d right now, but if the price is right I might upgrade anyway.

Your existing Neo HD version 5 license will freely upgradeable to Neo 5.5. If you don't need the 3D features yet, its business as usual for you. Just install the 5.5 update when it becomes available. As a Neo HD version 5 customer, you won't even need to reactivate the software. Your existing Neo HD version 5 serial number will work with Neo 5.5 (Studio Premium).

Neo 4K customers will need new serial numbers... but that's a topic for another thread.

James Park · April 24th, 2011, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

We have policies to make prior users happy. Assuming we didn't is weird, as we have always done well by our customers. NeoHD users should be happy with the extra features. Neo3D users get issued 3X the number of seats (we found most needed the extra licenses,) and for purchasers in March or April (really recent) get complete GoPro 3D camera rig, thanks to our new owners. Lower pricing helps everyone, more users with pro features will help drive wider support.

Dave,

I am currently using Neo4K. I know you guys are still finalizing branding and pricing. If we were to upgrade to Neo3D now (I believe this will eventually become Cineform Studio Professional), would we also be eligible to get a complete GoPro 3D camera rig plus extra license (it's still April)?

David Wayne Groves · April 24th, 2011, 03:29 PM

I believe the free camera offer is only for those who purchased Neo4K in March and early April before the merger was finale, if you purchased Neo4K in Jan or Feb of 2011 you can still try and make a case, but it is going to be hard, any buyers before 2011 are out of luck ....

James Park · April 24th, 2011, 07:00 PM

Well it's a worth shot to ask... I see no benefit to upgrade to 3D without some gear to make use of it. I guess I'll just wait and see what the final lineup will be and if at all any promotions and deals they might offer.

April 19th, 2011, 04:31 PM	#1
Craig Maret Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 52	its gone all cheap.. not sure Sorry for the odd title but is it just me or anyone else feel a bit miffed about spending loads of money on cineform products over the last few years only to see the product now reduced to small change? I bought aspect-then upgraded that a few times-then prospect upgrade cost me loads- then paid for what seemed like a downgrade to neohd for cs5 compatability.....I know im moaning but this price change left me feeling a bit like a mug. Wow if I had paid the crazy money neo3d was last week I would be having palputations. I know everything changes but cineform should give some recognition to those that invested heavily in their products. I aint sure if I should be happy or angry or what...so sorry if im venting steam. what do others feel? EDIT - Ok I read cf site again and theyve now made neo a unified product with an 8k support n 4:4:4: + alpha channel...softens the shock a bit Does the neo3d have same functionality with the 3d stuff also included? I dont use 3d but if neo3d has same functions as neo it could be worth the upgrade.

April 19th, 2011, 04:59 PM	#2
Sejin Park New Boot Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Seoul Posts: 21	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure not a week before...but I purchased neo 3d only a month ago and I feel stupid now.. I had to pay more than 4G on it. (tax, local distributor's price policy...etc..) well..I wish I can get "studio professional" for upgrade..

April 19th, 2011, 05:53 PM	#3
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure We have policies to make prior users happy. Assuming we didn't is weird, as we have always done well by our customers. NeoHD users should be happy with the extra features. Neo3D users get issued 3X the number of seats (we found most needed the extra licenses,) and for purchasers in March or April (really recent) get complete GoPro 3D camera rig, thanks to our new owners. Lower pricing helps everyone, more users with pro features will help drive wider support. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 19th, 2011, 07:13 PM	#4
Sejin Park New Boot Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Seoul Posts: 21	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure That's what I exactly wanted. I thought about extra licenses will be great but I didn't mentioned it because it might sounds ridicule. I guess now I can edit both of my laptop and desktop, on location and on suite! Another great news and great customer support from Cineform. Also, I was about to order GoPro 3D rig as well.. I'm pretty sure David read my mind.

April 19th, 2011, 08:08 PM	#5
David Wayne Groves Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston WV Posts: 149	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure Seems I can upgrade from Neoscene to NeoHD for $170.00...very tempting..... just a couple of months ago it was over $300...

April 19th, 2011, 09:39 PM	#6
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure I spent what for me is a lot of money on the Neo HD upgrade not too long ago. It seems that now there isn't a Neo HD per se, that the new product is now simply called Neo. Is there also an upgrade path from Neo HD to Neo 3D for those of us who have the higher amounts invested in this product? I don't need the 3d right now, but if the price is right I might upgrade anyway.

April 19th, 2011, 09:55 PM	#7
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure You do feel like you got cheated a little bit, but that feeling goes away over time... well, I'd still like to get back the Premier extra's that I lost the last time we did this... thats when I paid $1500 for the software and it went down to $1000.. and now its down to $300 ??? Wow, just thinking what I could do with $1200 right about now... I'm sure it'll all work out in the end.... Glad others will benefit from all of this...

April 19th, 2011, 10:11 PM	#8
John Cline Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 333	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure Doesn't bother me in the least, I made money with it and paid for the investment many times over.

April 20th, 2011, 02:41 AM	#9
Roger Averdahl Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stockholm - Sweden Posts: 344	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure I have no problems with that. If i have supported CineForm as a company by buying their products so they can survive and improve their products i am satisfied. :) __________________ /Roger

April 24th, 2011, 03:29 PM	#14
David Wayne Groves Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Charleston WV Posts: 149	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure I believe the free camera offer is only for those who purchased Neo4K in March and early April before the merger was finale, if you purchased Neo4K in Jan or Feb of 2011 you can still try and make a case, but it is going to be hard, any buyers before 2011 are out of luck ....

April 24th, 2011, 07:00 PM	#15
James Park Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hillsboro, Oregon Posts: 58	Re: its gone all cheap.. not sure Well it's a worth shot to ask... I see no benefit to upgrade to 3D without some gear to make use of it. I guess I'll just wait and see what the final lineup will be and if at all any promotions and deals they might offer.