New access to Cineform in Vegas Pro 10? at DVinfo.net

Seth Bloombaum · October 9th, 2010, 11:37 AM

Eugenia says in her blog:
For those who prefer the old way of doing things, like, converting to Cineform, you will also be glad to know that Vegas (Pro 10) now uses the Cineform SDK to decode Cineform files, rather than the old “Video for Windows” API.

What will that mean in practice for Vegas 10 Cineform users?

David Newman · October 9th, 2010, 11:56 AM

No more 8-bit truncation, and fast decodes, and deep encodes -- if you have a NeoHD license or better.

Seth Bloombaum · October 9th, 2010, 04:13 PM

Any advantages for NeoScene users?

David Newman · October 9th, 2010, 04:29 PM

Some yes. Vegas will use the CineForm decoder SDK for deeper precision access.

Seth Bloombaum · October 9th, 2010, 05:30 PM

Deeper precision access implying more accurate mapping of the Cineform codec colorspace by Vegas? Which would seem to apply both on decodes for preview and decodes for rendering...

Don't mean to be too granular here, it's just that this seems to be the first acknowledgement by Sony that the CF technology has evolved from the codec that was available for Vegas 5/6. On the face of it that's a good thing, and seems to continue the departure from the VfW-centric decoding that Vegas used historically, and not just for CF.

But, apart from theoretical goodness that a codec-maven such as yourself understands much better than me, I am very interested to know what this may mean for me and other Vegas / CF users in practical terms.

David Newman · October 9th, 2010, 05:48 PM

Basically you get at the 10 and 12-bit data, rather than truncating to 8-bit.

Joe Carney · October 10th, 2010, 01:07 PM

Yay!!!! If this turns out to be true, I'll finally be purchasing a license of NEO along with my Vegas upgrade.
Though I forget which version of NEO supports 4:4:4 color space.

Serge Victorovich · October 19th, 2010, 01:22 PM

Vegas 10 crashed when i've choose render mp4 1080p60 and mov 720p60 to Cineform template.

Application Version: Version 10.0a (Build 388) 64-bit
Problem: Unmanaged Exception (0xc0000005)
Fault Module: C:\Program Files (x86)\CineForm\Tools\CFHDEncoder64.dll
Fault Address: 0x000000003B1126CF
Fault Offset: 0x00000000000226CF

Application Version: Version 10.0a (Build 387)
Problem: Unmanaged Exception (0xc0000005)
Fault Module: C:\Program Files (x86)\CineForm\Tools\CFHDEncoder.dll
Fault Address: 0x25DFF8F5
Fault Offset: 0x0001F8F5

No problem render to Sony YUV, mfx, Sony AVC and so on...

Laurence Kingston · October 19th, 2010, 02:55 PM

Does this mean that I don't have to check the "i-frames only" box if I want Vegas 10 to smartrender?

David Newman · October 19th, 2010, 08:28 PM

That is up to Sony, it was never our limitation.

Serge Victorovich · October 20th, 2010, 12:22 PM

Thanks, David. Possible bug in vegas aviplug.dll ?
Well, have solution: render to uncompressed -> cineform.
In this case used old VFW?

October 9th, 2010, 11:37 AM	#1
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	New access to Cineform in Vegas Pro 10? Eugenia says in her blog: For those who prefer the old way of doing things, like, converting to Cineform, you will also be glad to know that Vegas (Pro 10) now uses the Cineform SDK to decode Cineform files, rather than the old “Video for Windows” API. What will that mean in practice for Vegas 10 Cineform users? __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

October 9th, 2010, 11:56 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	No more 8-bit truncation, and fast decodes, and deep encodes -- if you have a NeoHD license or better. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 9th, 2010, 04:13 PM	#3
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Any advantages for NeoScene users? __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

October 9th, 2010, 04:29 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Some yes. Vegas will use the CineForm decoder SDK for deeper precision access. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 9th, 2010, 05:30 PM	#5
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Deeper precision access implying more accurate mapping of the Cineform codec colorspace by Vegas? Which would seem to apply both on decodes for preview and decodes for rendering... Don't mean to be too granular here, it's just that this seems to be the first acknowledgement by Sony that the CF technology has evolved from the codec that was available for Vegas 5/6. On the face of it that's a good thing, and seems to continue the departure from the VfW-centric decoding that Vegas used historically, and not just for CF. But, apart from theoretical goodness that a codec-maven such as yourself understands much better than me, I am very interested to know what this may mean for me and other Vegas / CF users in practical terms. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

October 9th, 2010, 05:48 PM	#6
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Basically you get at the 10 and 12-bit data, rather than truncating to 8-bit. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 10th, 2010, 01:07 PM	#7
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Yay!!!! If this turns out to be true, I'll finally be purchasing a license of NEO along with my Vegas upgrade. Though I forget which version of NEO supports 4:4:4 color space. __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

October 19th, 2010, 01:22 PM	#8
Serge Victorovich Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 376	Vegas 10 crashed when i've choose render mp4 1080p60 and mov 720p60 to Cineform template. Application Version: Version 10.0a (Build 388) 64-bit Problem: Unmanaged Exception (0xc0000005) Fault Module: C:\Program Files (x86)\CineForm\Tools\CFHDEncoder64.dll Fault Address: 0x000000003B1126CF Fault Offset: 0x00000000000226CF Application Version: Version 10.0a (Build 387) Problem: Unmanaged Exception (0xc0000005) Fault Module: C:\Program Files (x86)\CineForm\Tools\CFHDEncoder.dll Fault Address: 0x25DFF8F5 Fault Offset: 0x0001F8F5 No problem render to Sony YUV, mfx, Sony AVC and so on...

October 19th, 2010, 02:55 PM	#9
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	Does this mean that I don't have to check the "i-frames only" box if I want Vegas 10 to smartrender?

October 19th, 2010, 08:28 PM	#10
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	That is up to Sony, it was never our limitation. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

October 20th, 2010, 12:22 PM	#11
Serge Victorovich Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 376	Thanks, David. Possible bug in vegas aviplug.dll ? Well, have solution: render to uncompressed -> cineform. In this case used old VFW?