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Michael Stewart · July 24th, 2005, 10:28 AM

Found out that using the magic bullet "vignette" was part of my problem, but the final file is doing something that David may know why. If I bring the file into Premiere after exporting from AE, it is black if I scrub through the timeline, if I play (hitting play) the file plays perfectly, if I export in any format, it exports in black, any ideas?

Thanks
Mike

David Newman · July 24th, 2005, 10:46 AM

How are you exporting from AE. Are you using Video for Windows and selecting the "CineForm HD Codec 2.0" or are you using the "CineForm AVI" export option?

Michael Stewart · July 24th, 2005, 08:21 PM

Cineform HD codec 2

Mike

David Newman · July 24th, 2005, 11:05 PM

I'll need to test using VfW through AE again. Although that should wokr fine, it is not the preferred method. Try using the CineForm AVI exporter instead of Video for Windows.

Michael Stewart · July 24th, 2005, 11:24 PM

Hi David, when I do that (export instead of render queue) it asks for a compressor (after choosing Cineform AVI), do I chose none? (it only gives SD choices) Also David, why is it not the preferred method (using AE and rendering out to a CFHD file, what good is AE if everything needs to be done in Premiere, maybe I am not following/understanding correctly

Thanks
Mike

Randy Donato · July 25th, 2005, 08:25 AM

I think you are missing what he is saying...in the output module there is a drop down (at the very top where it says "based on") and it defaults to video for windows....select Cineformavi in there. I think you are using video for windows then selecting Cineform in the video output format options. If you do it correctly you will get a dialog in the format options that will allow you access to the cineform quality options.

Michael Stewart · July 25th, 2005, 08:34 AM

Aaaah, thanks Randy I was a bit confused, I went to the "export" function in AE instead, I will try it to see how it works, thanks for clearing that up. Hope it works.

Mike

Randy Donato · July 25th, 2005, 02:00 PM

BTW David if you see this what happens if you do not select Cineform and use Video for Windows and try to use cineform as the compressor or video output format something is screwed up since you are unable(going that route) to get at the quality settings. At least on my machine. Haven't tried to render anything doing that to confirm black video but something is amiss.

David Newman · July 25th, 2005, 06:06 PM

Randy,

I'm not sure whether you are saying you can repeat this.

I have no issue iusing VfW or CineForm AVI exports from the render queue. Using the Export option from the file menu will not allow you to encode to use CineForm compression, so don't use that.

Michael Stewart · July 25th, 2005, 09:19 PM

Hi David, here is what I found, render queue.......video for windows + CFHD 2.0 = in Premiere, black video when scrubbing and exporting to different format (m2t to be precise) plays fine but when it stops it is black, render queue........cineform avi works perfectly, had no problems with it scrubbing in Premiere timeline, I do notice that while it is rendering in AE it does not give an estimated file size when rendering, not real important to me as long as it makes a good file. Also David, did you use the "vignette" plugin from magic bullet on your test? It seems to work fine unless I use that plugin, but my symptoms (black video scrubbing, good video playing) thought you might have an idea, the video is obviously there it plays back fine, just was not sure why it would not scrub.

Thanks
Mike

Randy Donato · July 25th, 2005, 09:33 PM

What I can repeat is when I add to render que and go to the output module and do as the poster apparently is doing...which is leave the format as vfw but select cineform as the compressor then the quality options can not be accessed....I don't do it that way and use cineform as the format option and when I set it as the compressor the quality settings show up fine. One other question, I am seeing the cineform HD v1.2 and not 2.0...I have Aspect... is 2.0 in Prospect or did I get a bad install? Running 3.2

Michael Stewart · July 25th, 2005, 09:38 PM

Randy, mine says 2.0

Mike

David Newman · July 25th, 2005, 09:54 PM

Randy,

There was a minor patch to Aspect HD 3.2a, a couple missing features like was we forgot to bump the version number on the VfW codec (as it has changed a lot.) However the VfW codec doesn't have a qualitry control panel (one day.) You should get 3.2a as it does have a fix for the DVD export.

Mike,

I don't have the "vignette" plugin. Is there are sample I can try?

Randy Donato · July 25th, 2005, 09:56 PM

Maybe that is whats wrong:)...mine is 1.2 BUT I can use either VFW plus CFHD 1.2 or Cineform avi plus CFHD 1.2 and they both work in Ppro. I feel .8th of an upgrade short here.....wasup? And no joy on a reinstall.

Randy Donato · July 25th, 2005, 10:22 PM

AspectHD-3.2.35-b-Download-Setup.exe is the version I installed....I will give the newer(I am assuming it is) version a shot....nice feature using the 4:4:4....but do the transitions still have the field dominance problem? Also if i get the time I will see what Procoder does with it.

EDIT update the new version fixed the 1.2 vrs 2.0 problem

July 24th, 2005, 10:28 AM	#1
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Magic Bullet problem Found out that using the magic bullet "vignette" was part of my problem, but the final file is doing something that David may know why. If I bring the file into Premiere after exporting from AE, it is black if I scrub through the timeline, if I play (hitting play) the file plays perfectly, if I export in any format, it exports in black, any ideas? Thanks Mike

July 24th, 2005, 10:46 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	How are you exporting from AE. Are you using Video for Windows and selecting the "CineForm HD Codec 2.0" or are you using the "CineForm AVI" export option? __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 24th, 2005, 11:05 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	I'll need to test using VfW through AE again. Although that should wokr fine, it is not the preferred method. Try using the CineForm AVI exporter instead of Video for Windows. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 25th, 2005, 06:06 PM	#9
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Randy, I'm not sure whether you are saying you can repeat this. I have no issue iusing VfW or CineForm AVI exports from the render queue. Using the Export option from the file menu will not allow you to encode to use CineForm compression, so don't use that. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 25th, 2005, 09:54 PM	#13
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Randy, There was a minor patch to Aspect HD 3.2a, a couple missing features like was we forgot to bump the version number on the VfW codec (as it has changed a lot.) However the VfW codec doesn't have a qualitry control panel (one day.) You should get 3.2a as it does have a fix for the DVD export. Mike, I don't have the "vignette" plugin. Is there are sample I can try? __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 24th, 2005, 08:21 PM	#3
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Cineform HD codec 2 Mike

July 24th, 2005, 11:24 PM	#5
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Hi David, when I do that (export instead of render queue) it asks for a compressor (after choosing Cineform AVI), do I chose none? (it only gives SD choices) Also David, why is it not the preferred method (using AE and rendering out to a CFHD file, what good is AE if everything needs to be done in Premiere, maybe I am not following/understanding correctly Thanks Mike

July 25th, 2005, 08:25 AM	#6
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	I think you are missing what he is saying...in the output module there is a drop down (at the very top where it says "based on") and it defaults to video for windows....select Cineformavi in there. I think you are using video for windows then selecting Cineform in the video output format options. If you do it correctly you will get a dialog in the format options that will allow you access to the cineform quality options.

July 25th, 2005, 08:34 AM	#7
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Aaaah, thanks Randy I was a bit confused, I went to the "export" function in AE instead, I will try it to see how it works, thanks for clearing that up. Hope it works. Mike

July 25th, 2005, 02:00 PM	#8
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	BTW David if you see this what happens if you do not select Cineform and use Video for Windows and try to use cineform as the compressor or video output format something is screwed up since you are unable(going that route) to get at the quality settings. At least on my machine. Haven't tried to render anything doing that to confirm black video but something is amiss.

July 25th, 2005, 09:19 PM	#10
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Hi David, here is what I found, render queue.......video for windows + CFHD 2.0 = in Premiere, black video when scrubbing and exporting to different format (m2t to be precise) plays fine but when it stops it is black, render queue........cineform avi works perfectly, had no problems with it scrubbing in Premiere timeline, I do notice that while it is rendering in AE it does not give an estimated file size when rendering, not real important to me as long as it makes a good file. Also David, did you use the "vignette" plugin from magic bullet on your test? It seems to work fine unless I use that plugin, but my symptoms (black video scrubbing, good video playing) thought you might have an idea, the video is obviously there it plays back fine, just was not sure why it would not scrub. Thanks Mike

July 25th, 2005, 09:33 PM	#11
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	What I can repeat is when I add to render que and go to the output module and do as the poster apparently is doing...which is leave the format as vfw but select cineform as the compressor then the quality options can not be accessed....I don't do it that way and use cineform as the format option and when I set it as the compressor the quality settings show up fine. One other question, I am seeing the cineform HD v1.2 and not 2.0...I have Aspect... is 2.0 in Prospect or did I get a bad install? Running 3.2

July 25th, 2005, 09:38 PM	#12
Michael Stewart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 445	Randy, mine says 2.0 Mike

July 25th, 2005, 09:56 PM	#14
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	Maybe that is whats wrong:)...mine is 1.2 BUT I can use either VFW plus CFHD 1.2 or Cineform avi plus CFHD 1.2 and they both work in Ppro. I feel .8th of an upgrade short here.....wasup? And no joy on a reinstall.

July 25th, 2005, 10:22 PM	#15
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	AspectHD-3.2.35-b-Download-Setup.exe is the version I installed....I will give the newer(I am assuming it is) version a shot....nice feature using the 4:4:4....but do the transitions still have the field dominance problem? Also if i get the time I will see what Procoder does with it. EDIT update the new version fixed the 1.2 vrs 2.0 problem