Blu-Ray Export Help at DVinfo.net

David Dwyer · May 1st, 2010, 02:17 PM

Not sure if this thread should be here for DVD authoring but as the raw footage is Cineforn thought I'd post it here. I'm editing a 20 min DVD/Bluray from a car event and I have a problem with the exported footage.

The reds and oranges flicker on the export bluray disc other colours seem to be fine. When I've got a panning shot and you pan past one of these colours you get a ghosting effect? Not sure I've had this problem before. The footage looks fine in CS4 and can't see the flickering/ghost.

The footage is export using automatic settings in Encore. Footage is from the Sony Z1.

I should say I'm watching the bluray via my Sony PS3 on a LCD telly.

Can anyone help me?

Don Blish · May 1st, 2010, 08:35 PM

I've been using Cineform .avi files to author DVDs and BluRays for 3 years, first with DVDitProHD and now on Win7/CS4 Encore. My DVDs and BluRays play fine on both players and my PS3 with none of the odd effects you are seing. Both programs previewed the .avi files fine too. Did they look OK in preview? Old cam was Sony HDR-HC1 and new one is Panny HDC-TM300 (AVCHD onto SHDC cards).

On DVD builds, I do use one of the progressive presets so I see no "jaggies".

David Dwyer · May 2nd, 2010, 03:11 AM

I've just encoded a DVD and off to test that but the main problem is with the bluray discs.

David Dwyer · May 2nd, 2010, 11:24 AM

Yes its on DVD but can't see it as much. I've just checked my converted Cineform file and the flicker is on there. I have the orignial cineform file from the camera a m2t 1440*1080 and its not flickering, then I used HDlink to resize it to 1920*1080.

Using HDlink to convert the m2t into CFHD without the resize and going to see whats its like now.

David Dwyer · May 4th, 2010, 03:30 PM

I can't get rid of this flicker - Its bright colours that fick but its only in the CineForm AVI. In the CineForm m2t file its fine!

I'm going to capture the tape again and see.

David Dwyer · May 4th, 2010, 03:51 PM

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/encore%20m2t.JPG

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/cineform%20avi.JPG

The 1st JPG is the M2T captured from the camera - This plays without* any flickering.

The 2nd JPG flickers on the PC and on export bluray discs - Why is Encore picking it up as 4*3 and the m2t is fine?

I'm uploading the M2T file and AVI now as well. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong?

David Dwyer · May 4th, 2010, 03:57 PM

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/VM...y%2001-001.m2t

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/VM...01-001-001.avi

Right click save as

David Newman · May 4th, 2010, 04:40 PM

I can't get the problem to occur, so please work with support.

David Dwyer · May 4th, 2010, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

I can't get the problem to occur, so please work with support.

You can't see the flicker in the AVI I have uploaded? How are you playing the file?

Robert Young · May 4th, 2010, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Dwyer

The footage is export using automatic settings in Encore. Footage is from the Sony Z1.

I should say I'm watching the bluray via my Sony PS3 on a LCD telly.

Can anyone help me?

I can't tell what's going on from the information provided, but I would be interested to know if your Cineform.avi is 1440x1080 60i 1.3 par (the HDV spec), or did you convert the HDV to full raster 1920x1080 60i square pixel CF.avi. I ask because I have had various artifact issues (jaggies, line twitter, etc.) associated with transcoding 1440 60i CF to either BR or DVD
My procedure for output to BR is to have my edited footage as 1920x1080 60i CF, then to transcode to BR 1920x1080 60i (either mpeg or h.264) by exporting the project to AME wherein I can set & control all of the parameters. I then import the BR file to Encore, author, & burn. It's usually quite bulletproof and produces stunning HD, free of artifacts.
Good luck

David Newman · May 4th, 2010, 05:09 PM

David,

Yes, the AVI looks fine. MediaPlayer, GraphEdit and in VirtualDub.

David Dwyer · May 4th, 2010, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Young

I can't tell what's going on from the information provided, but I would be interested to know if your Cineform.avi is 1440x1080 60i 1.3 par (the HDV spec), or did you convert the HDV to full raster 1920x1080 60i square pixel CF.avi. I ask because I have had various artifact issues (jaggies, line twitter, etc.) associated with transcoding 1440 60i CF to either BR or DVD
My procedure for output to BR is to have my edited footage as 1920x1080 60i CF, then to transcode to BR 1920x1080 60i (either mpeg or h.264) by exporting the project to AME wherein I can set & control all of the parameters. I then import the BR file to Encore, author, & burn. It's usually quite bulletproof and produces stunning HD, free of artifacts.
Good luck

Yeah I havent changed the file - See the M2t and AVI I have uploaded.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

David,

Yes, the AVI looks fine. MediaPlayer, GraphEdit and in VirtualDub.

I'm using Windows Media player and the AVI is horrid. I dropped both clips into encore and burnt them to a BR disc, the m2t file is fine but the AVI flickers and you see the reds/oranges come right out.

Okay another file being uploaded - I got out my little CX105 and recorded whats on my Dell 24" TFT

David Dwyer · May 4th, 2010, 05:31 PM

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/00006.MTS

I know the quailty isnt perfect on this video but the 1st file is the M2T that plays fine, then I click to the next file the CF AVI and you can see its flickering surely?

David Newman · May 4th, 2010, 06:32 PM

Filming a screen always looks bad, but I can't see issues with red/orange flicker. Think you might be confusing interlace motion artifacts, what are present, but no color changes here (maybe a monitor artifact.) To play interlaced on a computer monitor you need some sort of deinterlace, many mpeg/H264 decoders do that automatically, but that can be bad for a finishing codec. Set in Start->Programs->CineForm->Tools set "Desktop Player - Fast" that defaults to a blend deinterlace.

David Dwyer · May 4th, 2010, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Filming a screen always looks bad, but I can't see issues with red/orange flicker. Think you might be confusing interlace motion artifacts, what are present, but no color changes here (maybe a monitor artifact.) To play interlaced on a computer monitor you need some sort of deinterlace, many mpeg/H264 decoders do that automatically, but that can be bad for a finishing codec. Set in Start->Programs->CineForm->Tools set "Desktop Player - Fast" that defaults to a blend deinterlace.

Okay thanks - Setting it to Desktop player does sort out the deinterlace/fickering problem on the PC.

I can't work why the reds/oranges flicker on the bluray dvd on the Sony PS3 - Is it just a interlace problem? I thought the PS3 would sort that out as the footage is interlaced?

I don't know if I'm coming or going so I'll reconvert the M2T file and render and export everything again.

Do I need to do anything special in Encore?

Footage is 1440*1080 1.33

May 1st, 2010, 02:17 PM	#1
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Blu-Ray Export Help Not sure if this thread should be here for DVD authoring but as the raw footage is Cineforn thought I'd post it here. I'm editing a 20 min DVD/Bluray from a car event and I have a problem with the exported footage. The reds and oranges flicker on the export bluray disc other colours seem to be fine. When I've got a panning shot and you pan past one of these colours you get a ghosting effect? Not sure I've had this problem before. The footage looks fine in CS4 and can't see the flickering/ghost. The footage is export using automatic settings in Encore. Footage is from the Sony Z1. I should say I'm watching the bluray via my Sony PS3 on a LCD telly. Can anyone help me? Last edited by David Dwyer; May 1st, 2010 at 05:13 PM.

May 1st, 2010, 08:35 PM	#2
Don Blish Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Portland OR Posts: 227	CFHD out to BluRay I've been using Cineform .avi files to author DVDs and BluRays for 3 years, first with DVDitProHD and now on Win7/CS4 Encore. My DVDs and BluRays play fine on both players and my PS3 with none of the odd effects you are seing. Both programs previewed the .avi files fine too. Did they look OK in preview? Old cam was Sony HDR-HC1 and new one is Panny HDC-TM300 (AVCHD onto SHDC cards). On DVD builds, I do use one of the progressive presets so I see no "jaggies".

May 4th, 2010, 03:30 PM	#5
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	I can't get rid of this flicker - Its bright colours that fick but its only in the CineForm AVI. In the CineForm m2t file its fine! I'm going to capture the tape again and see. Last edited by David Dwyer; May 4th, 2010 at 06:47 PM.

May 4th, 2010, 03:51 PM	#6
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/encore%20m2t.JPG http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/cineform%20avi.JPG The 1st JPG is the M2T captured from the camera - This plays without* any flickering. The 2nd JPG flickers on the PC and on export bluray discs - Why is Encore picking it up as 43 and the m2t is fine? I'm uploading the M2T file and AVI now as well. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? Last edited by David Dwyer; May 4th, 2010 at 05:54 PM.*

May 4th, 2010, 04:40 PM	#8
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	I can't get the problem to occur, so please work with support. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 2nd, 2010, 03:11 AM	#3
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	I've just encoded a DVD and off to test that but the main problem is with the bluray discs.

May 2nd, 2010, 11:24 AM	#4
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Yes its on DVD but can't see it as much. I've just checked my converted Cineform file and the flicker is on there. I have the orignial cineform file from the camera a m2t 14401080 and its not flickering, then I used HDlink to resize it to 19201080. Using HDlink to convert the m2t into CFHD without the resize and going to see whats its like now.

May 4th, 2010, 03:57 PM	#7
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/VM...y%2001-001.m2t http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/VM...01-001-001.avi Right click save as

May 4th, 2010, 05:09 PM	#11
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	David, Yes, the AVI looks fine. MediaPlayer, GraphEdit and in VirtualDub. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

May 4th, 2010, 05:31 PM	#13
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/00006.MTS I know the quailty isnt perfect on this video but the 1st file is the M2T that plays fine, then I click to the next file the CF AVI and you can see its flickering surely?

May 4th, 2010, 06:32 PM	#14
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Filming a screen always looks bad, but I can't see issues with red/orange flicker. Think you might be confusing interlace motion artifacts, what are present, but no color changes here (maybe a monitor artifact.) To play interlaced on a computer monitor you need some sort of deinterlace, many mpeg/H264 decoders do that automatically, but that can be bad for a finishing codec. Set in Start->Programs->CineForm->Tools set "Desktop Player - Fast" that defaults to a blend deinterlace. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman