Field order at DVinfo.net

Ann Bens · April 10th, 2010, 06:18 AM

Is there a tool (beside the Bridge)that can read the field order of a Cineform avi. Gspot can't.
I have this weird 'issue'.
I capture a hdv tape with NeoScene. As hdv is upper i assume the CF avi is also upper.
Drop it in CS4 on a upper field timeline (hdv 1080i25).
When i export the timeline as a Cineform avi i choose upper in the AME, the avi I end up with has the fields all wrong.
When i export with LFF it all looks just fine.
So is CS4 interpreting the footage all wrong or what....

Noa Put · April 10th, 2010, 11:10 AM

Mediainfo? MediaInfo

Ann Bens · April 10th, 2010, 12:07 PM

Thanks but i does not read fields at all.

Roger Averdahl · April 10th, 2010, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann Bens

So is CS4 interpreting the footage all wrong or what....

Yes, based on the non-info in the CF files. I have seen the opposite as well, that 720p50 interprets as field based footage in Pr and Ae.

Use Interpret Footage and set CF 1080i files to Upper Field First. :)

Ann Bens · April 10th, 2010, 02:20 PM

Hey Roger fancy seeing you here. :-)
CS4 interpretes the footage as upper, so far so good
Its when i export to upper, the CF avi does not look right. I have to export to lower.

Roger Averdahl · April 10th, 2010, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann Bens

Hey Roger fancy seeing you here. :-)
CS4 interpretes the footage as upper, so far so good
Its when i export to upper, the CF avi does not look right. I have to export to lower.

Thanks Ann! :)

Thats strange, where are you viewing the exported file, on computer or television? Are you exporting to SD or HD?

Graham Hickling · April 10th, 2010, 06:18 PM

To inspect field order, I use a Virtualdub plugin called ViewFields:

ViewFields: This filter is nearly identical to the unfold fields option within VirtualDub's built-in deinterlace filter except that it re-arranges the top field on the top and the bottom field on the bottom of a frame.

http://www.geocities.com/siwalters_uk/viewfields.html

Ann Bens · April 11th, 2010, 12:17 PM

Thanks Graham i will have go at it.
Roger: i am viewing on a pc but when i convert it to mpeg2-dvd with the same fieldorder burn it to dvd and play it on the pc or a regular tv with a standalone it is still wrong.

Bill Engeler · April 20th, 2010, 03:34 AM

Hi Ann -

I have the same workflow and have just encountered the same problem. I had to export with LFF. I haven't had time to investigate this more. Have you had any success yet?

Ann Bens · April 20th, 2010, 12:56 PM

Have not found an answer yet to why the fields are all muddled up.
I am still exporting to lower field and if that is the way to solve the issue, so be it.
But it still does not feel right...

April 10th, 2010, 06:18 AM	#1
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Field order Is there a tool (beside the Bridge)that can read the field order of a Cineform avi. Gspot can't. I have this weird 'issue'. I capture a hdv tape with NeoScene. As hdv is upper i assume the CF avi is also upper. Drop it in CS4 on a upper field timeline (hdv 1080i25). When i export the timeline as a Cineform avi i choose upper in the AME, the avi I end up with has the fields all wrong. When i export with LFF it all looks just fine. So is CS4 interpreting the footage all wrong or what....

April 10th, 2010, 11:10 AM	#2
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Mediainfo? MediaInfo

April 10th, 2010, 12:07 PM	#3
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Thanks but i does not read fields at all.

April 10th, 2010, 02:20 PM	#5
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Hey Roger fancy seeing you here. :-) CS4 interpretes the footage as upper, so far so good Its when i export to upper, the CF avi does not look right. I have to export to lower.

April 10th, 2010, 06:18 PM	#7
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	To inspect field order, I use a Virtualdub plugin called ViewFields: ViewFields: This filter is nearly identical to the unfold fields option within VirtualDub's built-in deinterlace filter except that it re-arranges the top field on the top and the bottom field on the bottom of a frame. http://www.geocities.com/siwalters_uk/viewfields.html

April 11th, 2010, 12:17 PM	#8
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Thanks Graham i will have go at it. Roger: i am viewing on a pc but when i convert it to mpeg2-dvd with the same fieldorder burn it to dvd and play it on the pc or a regular tv with a standalone it is still wrong.

April 20th, 2010, 03:34 AM	#9
Bill Engeler Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brussels, Belgium Posts: 162	Hi Ann - I have the same workflow and have just encountered the same problem. I had to export with LFF. I haven't had time to investigate this more. Have you had any success yet?

April 20th, 2010, 12:56 PM	#10
Ann Bens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 710	Have not found an answer yet to why the fields are all muddled up. I am still exporting to lower field and if that is the way to solve the issue, so be it. But it still does not feel right...