cineform 50fps clip

Ian Newland · January 7th, 2010, 11:18 PM

When rendering 720p 50fps cineform single file out to 720p 25fps in any delivery format there is lot's of frame freezes in the final video of approx 5 secs each (same in Vegas 8c and 9c). The same cineform file rendered out to 25fps in other NLE's are fine.

On the Vegas time line of the original cineform clip, each 2nd individual frame has frames from other parts of the video which also exhibit the problem. Seems cineform or vegas has mixed up some frames. This is a repeatable result (did it 3 times).

Any clues

XP Professional
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo
CPU Speed: > 3GHz
CPU Configuration: Dual-Core HT
Main Memory: DDR3
Memory Amount: >=4GB
Camera/Deck Model #: Panasonic AG-HMC150
CineForm Product: NEO Scene
Version and Build #: 1.3
NLE Version: Vegas 9.0c and 8c

David Newman · January 8th, 2010, 12:18 AM

Sounds like a question for Vegas support. As you pointed out the same file works in other NLEs. We don't do anything custom for Vegas, it is just using the VFW codec, and it makes no decisions about which frame to display (Vegas does.)

Ian Newland · January 8th, 2010, 03:02 AM

The same 50fps cineform transcoded file on the vegas timeline rendered out as avi lagarith 50fps works fine, it's only when it goes cineform - cineform the problem happens.

To explain it better.

Here's the workflow.

1.HMC152 720p 50fps file transcoded to cineform.
2. File imported into Vegas on 50fps timeline.
3. Few edits done then File rendered out to cineform 720p 50fps
4. File imported back into vegas rendered out as 720p 25fps m2t.

Step 3 is where the frames are scattered in places and causes freezing when processed in step 4.

Is this still Vegas problem David?

Thanks

David Newman · January 8th, 2010, 04:21 PM

Have support try it, but I can't see how we could do that.

Ian Newland · January 9th, 2010, 09:41 PM

Fair enough, my workaround is to not use cineform neoscene to render out but use the free Lagarith codec instead within Vegas. Defeats buying cineform in the first place for multiple renders.

I'll keep trying it with other clips.
Rambo

David Newman · January 9th, 2010, 09:46 PM

Contact support, that way you can know it is a local PC, a Vegas or CineForm issue. Please do that.

Ian Newland · January 10th, 2010, 02:50 PM

Ticket logged sample footage attached

Thanks David.

January 7th, 2010, 11:18 PM	#1
Ian Newland Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 319	cineform 50fps clip - 25fps render frame freezes When rendering 720p 50fps cineform single file out to 720p 25fps in any delivery format there is lot's of frame freezes in the final video of approx 5 secs each (same in Vegas 8c and 9c). The same cineform file rendered out to 25fps in other NLE's are fine. On the Vegas time line of the original cineform clip, each 2nd individual frame has frames from other parts of the video which also exhibit the problem. Seems cineform or vegas has mixed up some frames. This is a repeatable result (did it 3 times). Any clues XP Professional CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo CPU Speed: > 3GHz CPU Configuration: Dual-Core HT Main Memory: DDR3 Memory Amount: >=4GB Camera/Deck Model #: Panasonic AG-HMC150 CineForm Product: NEO Scene Version and Build #: 1.3 NLE Version: Vegas 9.0c and 8c

January 8th, 2010, 12:18 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Sounds like a question for Vegas support. As you pointed out the same file works in other NLEs. We don't do anything custom for Vegas, it is just using the VFW codec, and it makes no decisions about which frame to display (Vegas does.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 8th, 2010, 04:21 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Have support try it, but I can't see how we could do that. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 9th, 2010, 09:46 PM	#6
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Contact support, that way you can know it is a local PC, a Vegas or CineForm issue. Please do that. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 8th, 2010, 03:02 AM	#3
Ian Newland Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 319	The same 50fps cineform transcoded file on the vegas timeline rendered out as avi lagarith 50fps works fine, it's only when it goes cineform - cineform the problem happens. To explain it better. Here's the workflow. 1.HMC152 720p 50fps file transcoded to cineform. 2. File imported into Vegas on 50fps timeline. 3. Few edits done then File rendered out to cineform 720p 50fps 4. File imported back into vegas rendered out as 720p 25fps m2t. Step 3 is where the frames are scattered in places and causes freezing when processed in step 4. Is this still Vegas problem David? Thanks

January 9th, 2010, 09:41 PM	#5
Ian Newland Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 319	Fair enough, my workaround is to not use cineform neoscene to render out but use the free Lagarith codec instead within Vegas. Defeats buying cineform in the first place for multiple renders. I'll keep trying it with other clips. Rambo

January 10th, 2010, 02:50 PM	#7
Ian Newland Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 319	Ticket logged sample footage attached Thanks David.