Some questions about Aspect HD

Mark Leonard · June 4th, 2007, 10:59 AM

I see the mov is an option instead of the cineform avi's. I'm guessing quality is same for capturing with either? using pp2 for my editing (besides the obvious extension difference), any advantages of going mov?

thanks

David Newman · June 4th, 2007, 11:08 AM

Only if you want to do 10-bit in Combustion, as it only support 8-bit via AVI. Or if you what to put CineForm clips on the Mac. Stick with AVI, then convert to MOV using HDLink for the clips you need in that format.

Marty Hudzik · June 5th, 2007, 02:12 PM

How does the update process work from Aspect HD 4 to 5? I am not talking about the pricing....I am inquiring about the activation. Do I need to de-activate Aspect 4 on my system before installing 5? Also, if I have a copy of 4 on my office PC will it be compatible with projects that I take on my laptop with aspect 5? Or do both need to be updated? Also, does 5 still have the luxury of 2 activations like 4 did?

I edit in my office 1/2 the time and then I travel and edit on my laptop the other 1/2 but working on the same project files. The budget does not allow for us to purchase 2 copies of Aspect so AHD4 is doing the trick for now.

Thanks.

David Newman · June 5th, 2007, 02:42 PM

Uninstalling Aspect HD v4 is recommended, but you don't not need to de-activate. Aspect HD v5 allows two installs, just like Aspect HD v4. Aspect HD v5 data is currently backward compatible with v4, but this may not always be the case -- do not confuse , v5 will always load v4 files, but not necessarily the other away around.

Gildo Houtekamer · June 7th, 2007, 05:14 AM

How is this possible?
My install is locked to a number on my pc.

Marty Hudzik · June 7th, 2007, 05:33 AM

David has said in the past that it will allow you to activate it 2 times before it requires you to deactivate and install again. I have had Aspect 4 on my workstation and laptop for about a year now. I never use them at the same time. I travel and take my projects with me on a portable hard drive to work on while I am away. This "feature" has saved my butt and I am personally glad that it is there as the budget where I work would not accomodate two copies at this time. I know it's not that much money but when I convince them to spend $649 for an upgrade to Adobe software that includes 6-7 full blown programs, they look at me cross-eyed when they hear Aspect is $499.

They have it in their mind that it is "just" a plug-in and how can it cost 3/4 of what the entire software suite costs?

So again. I am thankful for this little known feature.

Peace.

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Originally Posted by Gildo Houtekamer

How is this possible?

My install is locked to a number on my pc.

Gildo Houtekamer · June 7th, 2007, 07:50 AM

Thanks for the info, very glad to hear it!

David, can you confirm please?

David Newman · June 7th, 2007, 08:11 AM

Confirmed, our licensing server allows for two activations -- however you official only own one, we just add this flexibility to handle range of situations.

Marty Hudzik · June 7th, 2007, 08:20 AM

Thanks Dave. Hope I wasn't spilling the beans on anything that shouldn't be known. It is good to know that there is some fexibility with these products and they are worth the cost.

Dustin Kersnowski · June 14th, 2007, 12:29 PM

When using Cineform AVIs in an After Effects 7 Comp the rendered footage will randomly turn black.

The Comp is 720 24P.
I have six layers from 5 differnet Cineform AVI clips with effects applied to them. They all have a Magic Bullet Look Effects applied to them.

It doesn't matter if I render WMVs or Cineform AVIs.

David Newman · June 14th, 2007, 01:00 PM

We have many AE users, so something else must be happening. Your question might be easily answered if you listed your product version, and whether you are using the Video for Windows importer or the CineForm AEIO importer. Please file a friendly ticket at cineform.com/support

Marty Baggen · June 14th, 2007, 03:23 PM

I 'm sort of certain I'm not losing it... but anything's possible.

When launch an Aspect HD .AVI for playback in Windows Media Player (version 11), the picture is in a 4:3 aspect.

It seems like in the past, when previewing my Aspect captures, WMP would display in the correct aspect without any changes in its settings?

David Newman · June 14th, 2007, 03:48 PM

MediaPlayer 11 is a little broken. For some reason it is using the older VFW codec rather than DirectShow on some systems, causing this issue. Try using Media Player Classic (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...r_Classic.htm), it is much nicer than WMP11.

K. Tessman · June 14th, 2007, 06:32 PM

Do these black drops happen on discrete clips, or randomly mid-clip? If the former, what other filters are you applying?

If you transcode your CFHD clip to another 720p format and replace it in the comp, do the drops still happen?

Have you tweaked or otherwise attempted to optimize AE's memory management? I've observed that Look Suite can be pretty twitchy in that regard.

Have you checked the render logs? I've seen this happen (particularly when invoking from the command-line) when a particular filter depends on an outboard DLL that, for whatever reason, it can't find at render-time.

All of these can help diagnose what is or isn't happening.

Salah Baker · June 14th, 2007, 06:36 PM

"Magic Bullet Look Effects applied to them"
hmmmmmmm have you asked them about your Lic file?

June 4th, 2007, 10:59 AM	#211
Mark Leonard Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 166	*.mov captures in aspect 5... I see the mov is an option instead of the cineform avi's. I'm guessing quality is same for capturing with either? using pp2 for my editing (besides the obvious extension difference), any advantages of going mov? thanks

June 4th, 2007, 11:08 AM	#212
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Only if you want to do 10-bit in Combustion, as it only support 8-bit via AVI. Or if you what to put CineForm clips on the Mac. Stick with AVI, then convert to MOV using HDLink for the clips you need in that format. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 5th, 2007, 02:12 PM	#213
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	update process for Aspect 5.0? How does the update process work from Aspect HD 4 to 5? I am not talking about the pricing....I am inquiring about the activation. Do I need to de-activate Aspect 4 on my system before installing 5? Also, if I have a copy of 4 on my office PC will it be compatible with projects that I take on my laptop with aspect 5? Or do both need to be updated? Also, does 5 still have the luxury of 2 activations like 4 did? I edit in my office 1/2 the time and then I travel and edit on my laptop the other 1/2 but working on the same project files. The budget does not allow for us to purchase 2 copies of Aspect so AHD4 is doing the trick for now. Thanks.

June 5th, 2007, 02:42 PM	#214
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Uninstalling Aspect HD v4 is recommended, but you don't not need to de-activate. Aspect HD v5 allows two installs, just like Aspect HD v4. Aspect HD v5 data is currently backward compatible with v4, but this may not always be the case -- do not confuse , v5 will always load v4 files, but not necessarily the other away around. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 7th, 2007, 05:14 AM	#215
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	Allowing 2 installs..? How is this possible? My install is locked to a number on my pc.

June 7th, 2007, 07:50 AM	#217
Gildo Houtekamer Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wemeldinge, Netherlands Posts: 125	Thanks for the info, very glad to hear it! David, can you confirm please?

June 7th, 2007, 08:11 AM	#218
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Confirmed, our licensing server allows for two activations -- however you official only own one, we just add this flexibility to handle range of situations. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 7th, 2007, 08:20 AM	#219
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Thanks Dave. Hope I wasn't spilling the beans on anything that shouldn't be known. It is good to know that there is some fexibility with these products and they are worth the cost.

June 14th, 2007, 12:29 PM	#220
Dustin Kersnowski New Boot Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10	Aspect HD problem with After Effects When using Cineform AVIs in an After Effects 7 Comp the rendered footage will randomly turn black. The Comp is 720 24P. I have six layers from 5 differnet Cineform AVI clips with effects applied to them. They all have a Magic Bullet Look Effects applied to them. It doesn't matter if I render WMVs or Cineform AVIs.

June 14th, 2007, 01:00 PM	#221
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	We have many AE users, so something else must be happening. Your question might be easily answered if you listed your product version, and whether you are using the Video for Windows importer or the CineForm AEIO importer. Please file a friendly ticket at cineform.com/support __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 14th, 2007, 03:23 PM	#222
Marty Baggen Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: monroe, or Posts: 572	WMP playback aspect I 'm sort of certain I'm not losing it... but anything's possible. When launch an Aspect HD .AVI for playback in Windows Media Player (version 11), the picture is in a 4:3 aspect. It seems like in the past, when previewing my Aspect captures, WMP would display in the correct aspect without any changes in its settings?

June 14th, 2007, 03:48 PM	#223
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	MediaPlayer 11 is a little broken. For some reason it is using the older VFW codec rather than DirectShow on some systems, causing this issue. Try using Media Player Classic (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...r_Classic.htm), it is much nicer than WMP11. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 14th, 2007, 06:32 PM	#224
K. Tessman Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 66	Do these black drops happen on discrete clips, or randomly mid-clip? If the former, what other filters are you applying? If you transcode your CFHD clip to another 720p format and replace it in the comp, do the drops still happen? Have you tweaked or otherwise attempted to optimize AE's memory management? I've observed that Look Suite can be pretty twitchy in that regard. Have you checked the render logs? I've seen this happen (particularly when invoking from the command-line) when a particular filter depends on an outboard DLL that, for whatever reason, it can't find at render-time. All of these can help diagnose what is or isn't happening.

June 14th, 2007, 06:36 PM	#225
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	"Magic Bullet Look Effects applied to them" hmmmmmmm have you asked them about your Lic file?