Neoscene w/ 7D at DVinfo.net

Jason McDonald · September 23rd, 2009, 10:01 AM

So why would I buy Neoscene for video files with the 7D. What does Neoscene do that my NLE can't do that makes it worth the 100USD purchase?

Mark Williams · September 23rd, 2009, 10:18 AM

Jason, its use to you may depend on what NLE you have. I took the raw video clip posted at dpreview.com and brought is into Edius 5. The supplied Edius avchd conversion software did not work with the 7d file. The conversion of the 7d file to canopus hq did not work plus the raw file would not play on the timeline. This is kind of surprising as Edius is known for playing most anything. It may have something to do with the 7d file structure. As an experiment I downloaded the trial version of Neo Scene. It worked great as it only doubled the orignal file size and the converted .avi file played realtime.

David Newman · September 23rd, 2009, 11:13 AM

Mark has some of the primary points, performance and compatibility. The 7D like the 5D mkII use a particular variation of H.264 that no other camera uses, limiting its compatibility within existing video tools. High bit-rate H.264 (40Mb/s is high for that format) is also slow for the tools that can use it natively. We also fix some awkward assumptions Canon made in the bit-stream, like like storing luma black at 0 range than the vastly more common 16. This caused many tools to clip the black levels -- QuickTime was rev'd to try and fix that. As the CineForm is 10-bit we can so a lossless fix for this transferring the 0-255 range of the source to a more standard 64-940 for 10-bit YUV -- basically making editing and color correction much easier.

Jason McDonald · September 24th, 2009, 04:55 AM

So basically, it converts the file it one that is easier to edit/apply color corrections to?

I also have an HV20 and would love to use Neo Scene to get the 24p out of the files on capture. Not being entirely too familiar with codecs in NLE's is whats stopping me so far.

I use Adobe AE and Adobe Premier CS3. I also have Sony Vegas 8.c. However, when I can I use Vegas Movie Studios (Easier to fool around with). The other NLE's are available due to work, Movie Studios was a personal purchase.

David Newman · September 24th, 2009, 09:01 AM

Pulldown removal is another big advantage. CineForm AVIs work in all those video tools.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · September 24th, 2009, 11:07 AM

David,

Does the actual NeoScene already support all the framerates of the 7D?

David Newman · September 24th, 2009, 11:56 AM

Yes. 7D frame rates are complete compatible with Neo (all versions.)

September 23rd, 2009, 10:01 AM	#1
Jason McDonald Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 295	Neoscene w/ 7D So why would I buy Neoscene for video files with the 7D. What does Neoscene do that my NLE can't do that makes it worth the 100USD purchase?

September 23rd, 2009, 10:18 AM	#2
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Jason, its use to you may depend on what NLE you have. I took the raw video clip posted at dpreview.com and brought is into Edius 5. The supplied Edius avchd conversion software did not work with the 7d file. The conversion of the 7d file to canopus hq did not work plus the raw file would not play on the timeline. This is kind of surprising as Edius is known for playing most anything. It may have something to do with the 7d file structure. As an experiment I downloaded the trial version of Neo Scene. It worked great as it only doubled the orignal file size and the converted .avi file played realtime. __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29 Last edited by Mark Williams; September 23rd, 2009 at 03:21 PM.

September 23rd, 2009, 11:13 AM	#3
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Mark has some of the primary points, performance and compatibility. The 7D like the 5D mkII use a particular variation of H.264 that no other camera uses, limiting its compatibility within existing video tools. High bit-rate H.264 (40Mb/s is high for that format) is also slow for the tools that can use it natively. We also fix some awkward assumptions Canon made in the bit-stream, like like storing luma black at 0 range than the vastly more common 16. This caused many tools to clip the black levels -- QuickTime was rev'd to try and fix that. As the CineForm is 10-bit we can so a lossless fix for this transferring the 0-255 range of the source to a more standard 64-940 for 10-bit YUV -- basically making editing and color correction much easier. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 24th, 2009, 09:01 AM	#5
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Pulldown removal is another big advantage. CineForm AVIs work in all those video tools. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 24th, 2009, 11:07 AM	#6
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	David, Does the actual NeoScene already support all the framerates of the 7D? __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

September 24th, 2009, 04:55 AM	#4
Jason McDonald Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 295	So basically, it converts the file it one that is easier to edit/apply color corrections to? I also have an HV20 and would love to use Neo Scene to get the 24p out of the files on capture. Not being entirely too familiar with codecs in NLE's is whats stopping me so far. I use Adobe AE and Adobe Premier CS3. I also have Sony Vegas 8.c. However, when I can I use Vegas Movie Studios (Easier to fool around with). The other NLE's are available due to work, Movie Studios was a personal purchase.

September 24th, 2009, 11:56 AM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes. 7D frame rates are complete compatible with Neo (all versions.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman