Can't find Cineform output option in AE and Vegas at DVinfo.net

Paul Cascio · September 18th, 2009, 11:47 AM

Unless I'm mistaken, shouldn't I be able to render to Cineform from these programs? Where do I find the option in AE and also Vegas.

Thanks

Jake Segraves · September 18th, 2009, 01:58 PM

We don't include the CineForm AVI Format option for After Effects in Neo Scene. That's a good reason to upgrade to Neo HD. You can however use the Video For Windows format and select The CineForm compressor in the Format Options.

In Vegas, just create customer 'Render As' settings that use CineForm HD Codec as the 'Video Format'.

Paul Cascio · September 18th, 2009, 03:06 PM

Thanks for your response Jake. I was trying to avoid contacting support for this question, but you answered it anyway. haha

Can NeoScene convert avi files to Cineform?

Scott Tolbert · September 20th, 2009, 09:14 AM

Isn’t this VFW workaround for the AE exclusion going to lead to a loss of quality and rerendering in Vegas if you have originally transcoded everything to Cineform for editing in Vegas before outputing clips to AE for specials and then sending them back to Vegas for the final edit? You would be mixing VFW with Cineform AVI on the Vegas timeline.

Paul Cascio · September 20th, 2009, 10:05 AM

Scott, perhaps I wasn't clear. I want to be able to use the Vegas timeline only for reference purposes, so as the narrator is naming five vacation destinations, each can be listed as text at precisely the right moment.

Then, I would mute the Vegas track and just render the AE text clips as uncompressed AVI with Alpha and lay them on a top track in Vegas.

Scott Tolbert · September 21st, 2009, 11:56 AM

Paul,

Yes, you were clear.

I was expanding on your original post to ask a question that many Vegas/AE users might have in their workflow. I hoped that Jake might weigh in on that quality question.

Jake Segraves · September 22nd, 2009, 06:15 PM

You're not really loosing much quality. Vegas uses VFW too. So any export out of AE using VFW is the same as rendering your Vegas timeline.

I should mention that Neo HD does let you access the codec directly to access higher color precision in AE (using the CineForm AVI format option). But again, that won't help you in Vegas, since it uses VFW.

Scott Tolbert · September 23rd, 2009, 12:20 AM

Thanks Jake!

September 18th, 2009, 11:47 AM	#1
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Can't find Cineform output option in AE and Vegas Unless I'm mistaken, shouldn't I be able to render to Cineform from these programs? Where do I find the option in AE and also Vegas. Thanks __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

September 18th, 2009, 03:06 PM	#3
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Thanks for your response Jake. I was trying to avoid contacting support for this question, but you answered it anyway. haha Can NeoScene convert avi files to Cineform? __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

September 20th, 2009, 09:14 AM	#4
Scott Tolbert Tourist Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4	Quality loss Isn’t this VFW workaround for the AE exclusion going to lead to a loss of quality and rerendering in Vegas if you have originally transcoded everything to Cineform for editing in Vegas before outputing clips to AE for specials and then sending them back to Vegas for the final edit? You would be mixing VFW with Cineform AVI on the Vegas timeline.

September 20th, 2009, 10:05 AM	#5
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Scott, perhaps I wasn't clear. I want to be able to use the Vegas timeline only for reference purposes, so as the narrator is naming five vacation destinations, each can be listed as text at precisely the right moment. Then, I would mute the Vegas track and just render the AE text clips as uncompressed AVI with Alpha and lay them on a top track in Vegas. __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

September 21st, 2009, 11:56 AM	#6
Scott Tolbert Tourist Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4	Clear to me Paul, Yes, you were clear. I was expanding on your original post to ask a question that many Vegas/AE users might have in their workflow. I hoped that Jake might weigh in on that quality question.

September 18th, 2009, 01:58 PM	#2
Jake Segraves Sponsor: CineForm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 153	We don't include the CineForm AVI Format option for After Effects in Neo Scene. That's a good reason to upgrade to Neo HD. You can however use the Video For Windows format and select The CineForm compressor in the Format Options. In Vegas, just create customer 'Render As' settings that use CineForm HD Codec as the 'Video Format'.

September 22nd, 2009, 06:15 PM	#7
Jake Segraves Sponsor: CineForm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 153	You're not really loosing much quality. Vegas uses VFW too. So any export out of AE using VFW is the same as rendering your Vegas timeline. I should mention that Neo HD does let you access the codec directly to access higher color precision in AE (using the CineForm AVI format option). But again, that won't help you in Vegas, since it uses VFW.

September 23rd, 2009, 12:20 AM	#8
Scott Tolbert Tourist Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4	Thanks Thanks Jake!