CineForm and Adobe Premiere Pro -- various questions

Alex Raskin · August 21st, 2006, 11:19 AM

Did you try rebooting your PC?

As simple as it sounds, I regularly experience PPro render issues that usually go away after reboot - so maybe it'll help you too.

Earl Thurston · August 21st, 2006, 03:47 PM

Thanks everyone for responding so far. I'll try the reboot issue first to see if that helps. I also put in a support ticket with CineForm and will try their suggested procedure next if necessary.

Just some follow-up info regarding the problem -- I tried exporting some footage to a 720p 29.97 fps M2T file (rather than 23.976) and that worked (though, every fourth frame is repeated for the changed frame rate). So it's only the "24 fps" export that is crashing.

Earl Thurston · August 21st, 2006, 10:32 PM

Hi again. Well, per the suggestion from CineForm support, I've reinstalled Premiere Pro and Aspect HD. Tried my export again, and it still crashed.

I also tried the other M2T export settings. It appears both of the options labelled "(JVC ProHD)" -- 23.976 fps and 25.00 fps -- cause Premiere Pro to crash. The other options work fine.

Sharlto Copley · September 1st, 2006, 11:14 AM

okay, it seems to be caused by a problem on two clips in my project that have some kind of corruption or possibly something that happened during shooting on the sdi camera.

David Newman · September 1st, 2006, 05:30 PM

Glad to here it.

Note: To all users, please contact us first, both asking direct question that seem to be bugs. That is what support is there for. I'm not in support, so I like come here and help with workflow question, and get new feature ideas. This is not a portal to CineForm, rather it is a link to other CineForm users.

Mark Leonard · September 6th, 2006, 08:05 AM

Just upgraded my ati x1900xtx to a pny quadro fx 3500. Everything works fine on every single program now except pp2 using a aspect hd preset. Been working on a video for a while now and it will no longer open without freezing up pp2. it was done in the aspect hd 1440x1080 preset. so messing around i tried opening other projects that were done using the aspect preset as well as trying to create a new project with this preset. locks up pp2 everytime. here's the kicker I can open and edit old projects that were done in the regular pp2 hdv preset. I can also start a new project with the regular pp2 presets. all footage in this pc has all been captured using hdlink and is cineform avi's. tried reinstalling pp2 & aspect and no luck at all. I also started a trouble ticket on cineform site but people on here kinda say that takes a long time to hear back. so does anyone know why my aspect hd and my very expensive new quadro fx dont get along?

I mean everything works fine on the pc but aspect presets in pp2 and the quadro. maybe I need to adjust something in the driver or maybe something in aspect but I cant lose this one particular project. been working on it for almost 2 weeks straight and very near completion.

Praying for good news,

Mark

David Newman · September 6th, 2006, 09:22 AM

It never a good idea to change hardware in the middle of a project. Uninstall Aspect HD, get the latest NVidia drivers from their site. Once the Nvidia drivers are refreshed, re-install Aspect HD and try again.

Mark Leonard · September 6th, 2006, 11:29 AM

well actually it is screwing up with pp2 as well, just in different spots. seems to be the nvidia driver (latest whql) and some settings in it. so pny tech support told me go to the old 77's b/c they are the latest certified by adobe. but, these drivers do not support the quadro fx 3500. so i tried the 84's to no avail either. so who has the 3500 such as I do and what settings are you using on your drivers to make them work with aspect hd and pp2?

Since this is not just tied to aspect I'm gonna make a post in the premiere thread and see if someone else has some ideas.

Dave Campbell · November 13th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Okay, since I am probably doing something dumb, will start here.
Been a year since I did my editing, so, brain may be dumb.

So, loaded up the 2.2 prospect HD into my windows XP SP2 new dual clovertown 2.66/1333 parts. (going to throw 8 processor at my project this christmas.)

So, I start a new project. (I have going to want to import my HDV from my Sony HC1) So, I look at the presets and choose 1920x1080 60i, assuming this is the correct one for 10 bit mode. When I run PPro2, it just locks up.

If I run HDlink, it sees the HC1 just fine and I can control it.

If I do a project with PPro2 HDV presets, I can control the camera fine.

So, do I have the wrong preset?

Dave

David Newman · November 13th, 2006, 07:11 PM

You will need to talk with support. We are seeing some startup issue on some PCs, yet none anywhere near Southern California (so we have never seen it.) The latest Prospect HD uses a lot of .Net and new threading tools, so do make sure your OS has the all the updates.

Dave Campbell · November 13th, 2006, 07:15 PM

Okay, will do. I have all the updates that I am aware of. Even .net 3.0

Dave

Chris J. Gearing · November 29th, 2006, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Thurston

Hi again. Well, per the suggestion from CineForm support, I've reinstalled Premiere Pro and Aspect HD. Tried my export again, and it still crashed.

I also tried the other M2T export settings. It appears both of the options labelled "(JVC ProHD)" -- 23.976 fps and 25.00 fps -- cause Premiere Pro to crash. The other options work fine.

Hi,
Did you ever sort this problem as I have the same issue when trying to export to procoder from the pp2 timeline. Thanks.

Chris Macneil · December 4th, 2006, 11:11 AM

Hi everyone

I kinda asked this q before without any definite response, still need help no clues yet.
I captured a large chunk of film into a single DV avi. I cut that up and put together a short sequence on the time line. Can I use the time line sequence to create an offline file so that I can recapture in HDV as a number of small avi's.

Chris Barcellos · December 4th, 2006, 11:29 AM

Chris:

Your question may be confusing or lost in translation, but what I think you are asking is can you capture HDV from you camera as down converted DV, edit it down to portions of clips you want to use, then have the editing system actually do the conversion to HDV.

That sounds like a "proxy file" editing question. Gear Shift does it for Vegas. I Googled using the following and came up with some .pdf files that may help. Use this Google search, or try you own:

"Proxy Editing Premiere Pro 2.0"

Geoff Murillo · January 4th, 2007, 07:40 PM

Hi David and David (Newman and Taylor),

It's exciting news to hear that Adobe is bringing Premiere back to the MAC. Just wanted to see how this affects Cineforms' MAC efforts.

Would MAC Premiere Users still have to convert their files on a PC system using Video for Windows technology to transcode before porting their footage to a MAC Premiere system, or will we soon see Cineform HDLink software to transcode on the MAC too?

I know that each of you and your team are always hard at work on expanding your capabilities - Just wanted to see if the Adobe announcement offers you more latitude outside of the open architecture of their software.

Keep up the great work!

-Geoff Murillo

August 21st, 2006, 03:47 PM	#47
Earl Thurston Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Burnaby & Maple Ridge BC Posts: 289	Thanks everyone for responding so far. I'll try the reboot issue first to see if that helps. I also put in a support ticket with CineForm and will try their suggested procedure next if necessary. Just some follow-up info regarding the problem -- I tried exporting some footage to a 720p 29.97 fps M2T file (rather than 23.976) and that worked (though, every fourth frame is repeated for the changed frame rate). So it's only the "24 fps" export that is crashing. __________________ Earl R. Thurston, Stargate Connections Inc. Made with GY-HD100: The Container Adventures: The Rescue

August 21st, 2006, 10:32 PM	#48
Earl Thurston Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Burnaby & Maple Ridge BC Posts: 289	Hi again. Well, per the suggestion from CineForm support, I've reinstalled Premiere Pro and Aspect HD. Tried my export again, and it still crashed. I also tried the other M2T export settings. It appears both of the options labelled "(JVC ProHD)" -- 23.976 fps and 25.00 fps -- cause Premiere Pro to crash. The other options work fine. __________________ Earl R. Thurston, Stargate Connections Inc. Made with GY-HD100: The Container Adventures: The Rescue

September 1st, 2006, 11:14 AM	#49
Sharlto Copley New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 8	progress on problem okay, it seems to be caused by a problem on two clips in my project that have some kind of corruption or possibly something that happened during shooting on the sdi camera.

September 1st, 2006, 05:30 PM	#50
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Glad to here it. Note: To all users, please contact us first, both asking direct question that seem to be bugs. That is what support is there for. I'm not in support, so I like come here and help with workflow question, and get new feature ideas. This is not a portal to CineForm, rather it is a link to other CineForm users. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 6th, 2006, 08:05 AM	#51
Mark Leonard Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 166	now pp2 will not open with a aspect hd preset selected... Just upgraded my ati x1900xtx to a pny quadro fx 3500. Everything works fine on every single program now except pp2 using a aspect hd preset. Been working on a video for a while now and it will no longer open without freezing up pp2. it was done in the aspect hd 1440x1080 preset. so messing around i tried opening other projects that were done using the aspect preset as well as trying to create a new project with this preset. locks up pp2 everytime. here's the kicker I can open and edit old projects that were done in the regular pp2 hdv preset. I can also start a new project with the regular pp2 presets. all footage in this pc has all been captured using hdlink and is cineform avi's. tried reinstalling pp2 & aspect and no luck at all. I also started a trouble ticket on cineform site but people on here kinda say that takes a long time to hear back. so does anyone know why my aspect hd and my very expensive new quadro fx dont get along? I mean everything works fine on the pc but aspect presets in pp2 and the quadro. maybe I need to adjust something in the driver or maybe something in aspect but I cant lose this one particular project. been working on it for almost 2 weeks straight and very near completion. Praying for good news, Mark

August 21st, 2006, 11:19 AM	#46
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Did you try rebooting your PC? As simple as it sounds, I regularly experience PPro render issues that usually go away after reboot - so maybe it'll help you too.

September 6th, 2006, 09:22 AM	#52
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	It never a good idea to change hardware in the middle of a project. Uninstall Aspect HD, get the latest NVidia drivers from their site. Once the Nvidia drivers are refreshed, re-install Aspect HD and try again. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 6th, 2006, 11:29 AM	#53
Mark Leonard Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 166	well actually it is screwing up with pp2 as well, just in different spots. seems to be the nvidia driver (latest whql) and some settings in it. so pny tech support told me go to the old 77's b/c they are the latest certified by adobe. but, these drivers do not support the quadro fx 3500. so i tried the 84's to no avail either. so who has the 3500 such as I do and what settings are you using on your drivers to make them work with aspect hd and pp2? Since this is not just tied to aspect I'm gonna make a post in the premiere thread and see if someone else has some ideas. Last edited by Mark Leonard; September 6th, 2006 at 12:38 PM.

November 13th, 2006, 07:05 PM	#54
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	PPRo2 hangs with Prospect HD 2.2 Okay, since I am probably doing something dumb, will start here. Been a year since I did my editing, so, brain may be dumb. So, loaded up the 2.2 prospect HD into my windows XP SP2 new dual clovertown 2.66/1333 parts. (going to throw 8 processor at my project this christmas.) So, I start a new project. (I have going to want to import my HDV from my Sony HC1) So, I look at the presets and choose 1920x1080 60i, assuming this is the correct one for 10 bit mode. When I run PPro2, it just locks up. If I run HDlink, it sees the HC1 just fine and I can control it. If I do a project with PPro2 HDV presets, I can control the camera fine. So, do I have the wrong preset? Dave

November 13th, 2006, 07:11 PM	#55
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	You will need to talk with support. We are seeing some startup issue on some PCs, yet none anywhere near Southern California (so we have never seen it.) The latest Prospect HD uses a lot of .Net and new threading tools, so do make sure your OS has the all the updates. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 13th, 2006, 07:15 PM	#56
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	Okay, will do. I have all the updates that I am aware of. Even .net 3.0 Dave

December 4th, 2006, 11:11 AM	#58
Chris Macneil New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: netherlands Posts: 21	Premiere pro2 clueless Hi everyone I kinda asked this q before without any definite response, still need help no clues yet. I captured a large chunk of film into a single DV avi. I cut that up and put together a short sequence on the time line. Can I use the time line sequence to create an offline file so that I can recapture in HDV as a number of small avi's.

December 4th, 2006, 11:29 AM	#59
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Chris: Your question may be confusing or lost in translation, but what I think you are asking is can you capture HDV from you camera as down converted DV, edit it down to portions of clips you want to use, then have the editing system actually do the conversion to HDV. That sounds like a "proxy file" editing question. Gear Shift does it for Vegas. I Googled using the following and came up with some .pdf files that may help. Use this Google search, or try you own: "Proxy Editing Premiere Pro 2.0" __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

January 4th, 2007, 07:40 PM	#60
Geoff Murillo Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 92	Premiere Pro for the MAC and what that means for Cineform Hi David and David (Newman and Taylor), It's exciting news to hear that Adobe is bringing Premiere back to the MAC. Just wanted to see how this affects Cineforms' MAC efforts. Would MAC Premiere Users still have to convert their files on a PC system using Video for Windows technology to transcode before porting their footage to a MAC Premiere system, or will we soon see Cineform HDLink software to transcode on the MAC too? I know that each of you and your team are always hard at work on expanding your capabilities - Just wanted to see if the Adobe announcement offers you more latitude outside of the open architecture of their software. Keep up the great work! -Geoff Murillo