Huge Files at DVinfo.net

Andy Loos · August 19th, 2009, 08:53 AM

When I am using cineform (trial copy) I put the settings on Best, these files are HUGE! How do you guys back up these huge files or dont you, cause you can go through hard drives fast. Just filmed a wedding, we have 6 tapes to download, this will take up like 360gb. what do you guys suggest?

Bruce Gruber · August 19th, 2009, 11:05 AM

Hi Andy, I also do weddings, wow 6 tapes! what all do you film? I thnk somewhere in this thread Dave said medium works just fine! Also if you are going to work with CF you will need losts of storage or only work on say the Ceremony first then the reception if you can.

Adam Gold · August 19th, 2009, 12:26 PM

My video is stored on a 5TB capacity RAID array (actually 7 x 1TB in RAID3 with Hot Spare). While that's obviously overkill, a 1TB single drive is cheap and easy to install if you have a spare internal bay. If you don't have room inside the case for one (or two, or three) more drive(s), you could get an eSATA card and an external 2TB eSATA drive for probably under $300 total.

We shoot four-camera shows and end up with up to 12 tapes per performance, and we usually shoot and capture two performances for safety. So at 60GB per hour you can see it adds up.

Simon Zimmer · August 19th, 2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Gruber

Hi Andy, I also do weddings, wow 6 tapes! what all do you film? I thnk somewhere in this thread Dave said medium works just fine! Also if you are going to work with CF you will need losts of storage or only work on say the Ceremony first then the reception if you can.

I asked David this question recently regarding AVCHD:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/cineform-...y-setting.html

High is what I use and it looks great.

Simon

Robert Young · August 19th, 2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Loos

we have 6 tapes to download, this will take up like 360gb. what do you guys suggest?

Andy
Two 1 TB drives as RAID 0 is around $600 or less & you are home free.
I found that it was much better to just fork out for the storage and not have to think about it anymore

Andy Loos · August 20th, 2009, 12:19 PM

Thanks for the info guys! Why are M2T files so hard to work with? just curious.

Jim Snow · August 20th, 2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Loos

Thanks for the info guys! Why are M2T files so hard to work with? just curious.

M2T files are MPEG files that are I-frame based. Only the I-frames are complete frames. Usually the I-frames occur once every 16 frames (NTSC). In order to preview or render the M2T file on the timeline, the NLE has to recalculate each frame based on each I-frame and the respective P and B frames so that each frame is complete. This process is very processor intensive. (Read - SLOW)

Andy Loos · August 29th, 2009, 06:14 PM

interesting, thank you very much!

Don Miller · August 29th, 2009, 07:35 PM

In business, I feel you should "put a number on it"

So currently figure about 10 cents a gb U.S.
$100 at most for a 1 TB drive. $300 for a 2 TB drives (15 cents a gigabyte I think).
I use 1TB drives for archival, but I'm file based so I don't have tapes for safety.
With available 2TB drives, online storage isn't too bad. A bigger question may be what you are going to deliver, and after you get paid, what data are you going to keep? If you have the processing power, it's pretty easy to figure out the total cost of handling big files. If you archive on hard disk, there are inexpensive devices that look like toasters that allow easy addition and removal of disk drives.
I archive to inexpensive 1TB samsung drives that can be purchased for $80-90 dollars. The cost of data storage isn't too bad any more. But it should be figured into the cost of providing hi def.

August 19th, 2009, 08:53 AM	#1
Andy Loos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	Huge Files When I am using cineform (trial copy) I put the settings on Best, these files are HUGE! How do you guys back up these huge files or dont you, cause you can go through hard drives fast. Just filmed a wedding, we have 6 tapes to download, this will take up like 360gb. what do you guys suggest?

August 19th, 2009, 11:05 AM	#2
Bruce Gruber Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 221	Hi Andy, I also do weddings, wow 6 tapes! what all do you film? I thnk somewhere in this thread Dave said medium works just fine! Also if you are going to work with CF you will need losts of storage or only work on say the Ceremony first then the reception if you can.

August 19th, 2009, 12:26 PM	#3
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	My video is stored on a 5TB capacity RAID array (actually 7 x 1TB in RAID3 with Hot Spare). While that's obviously overkill, a 1TB single drive is cheap and easy to install if you have a spare internal bay. If you don't have room inside the case for one (or two, or three) more drive(s), you could get an eSATA card and an external 2TB eSATA drive for probably under $300 total. We shoot four-camera shows and end up with up to 12 tapes per performance, and we usually shoot and capture two performances for safety. So at 60GB per hour you can see it adds up.

August 20th, 2009, 12:19 PM	#6
Andy Loos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	Thanks for the info guys! Why are M2T files so hard to work with? just curious.

August 29th, 2009, 06:14 PM	#8
Andy Loos Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	interesting, thank you very much!

August 29th, 2009, 07:35 PM	#9
Don Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 706	In business, I feel you should "put a number on it" So currently figure about 10 cents a gb U.S. $100 at most for a 1 TB drive. $300 for a 2 TB drives (15 cents a gigabyte I think). I use 1TB drives for archival, but I'm file based so I don't have tapes for safety. With available 2TB drives, online storage isn't too bad. A bigger question may be what you are going to deliver, and after you get paid, what data are you going to keep? If you have the processing power, it's pretty easy to figure out the total cost of handling big files. If you archive on hard disk, there are inexpensive devices that look like toasters that allow easy addition and removal of disk drives. I archive to inexpensive 1TB samsung drives that can be purchased for $80-90 dollars. The cost of data storage isn't too bad any more. But it should be figured into the cost of providing hi def.