New beta builds for 64-bit and installer issues

Keith Paisley · June 30th, 2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

Keith...
yes, those are the 2 files I copied over. cfhd64.dll gets copied over with a name change to cfhd.dll
Have not looked at the execution with Dependency Walker.
I'm using the 214d version with NeoHD. Decoder version 5.1.1
Sorry about the incorrect reference to install procedure. I had to mess around for a while and forgot which method worked. I think I, finally, got it to install by opening the COMMAND WINDOW and manually typing in the install string used by the Cineform install.bat file.

Hi Bill, I will try installing NeoHD beta to see if it makes any difference. I've been installing NeoScene. In the mean time, would you mind satisfying my curiosity by checking the versions of the following dlls?
/Windows/System32/IEFRAME.DLL
and
/Windows/System32/SHLWAPI.DLL

those two files seem to trigger some sort of warning in dependency walker for me. (see http://i43.tinypic.com/j8ipe0.png)

Bill Ravens · June 30th, 2009, 08:30 AM

Keith...

ieframe v 8.0.7100
shlwapi v 6.1.7100

David Newman · June 30th, 2009, 08:45 AM

I've seen similar warnings with no issues, we don't directly use anything from those DLLs.

Keith Paisley · June 30th, 2009, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

Keith...

ieframe v 8.0.7100
shlwapi v 6.1.7100

thanks, those are the same versions that I have, so I guess they're not the issue.

Keith Paisley · June 30th, 2009, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

I've seen similar warnings with no issues, we don't directly use anything from those DLLs.

Hi David, you've seen those "side by side" warnings, including the "The application has failed to start" part? To me that error message sounds like windows will not start that DLL at all due to the side by side issues.

and to Bill, can I ask which apps you are using to decode with the CFHD VFW 64-bit codec?

thanks.

I did a system rollback to the point where it basically had no apps installed and then tried all of this again, to no avail.

Bill Ravens · June 30th, 2009, 09:09 AM

Vegas 9-64, MediaplayerClassic, Virtualdub, Avid, any vfw application will read CF DI's.

Keith Paisley · June 30th, 2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

Vegas 9-64, MediaplayerClassic, Virtualdub, Avid, any vfw application will read CF DI's.

ugh, i just installed a fresh copy of win 7 RC (Ultimate) on a spare drive and still no love. On the clean install i just tried installing the last NeoHD beta (since that's what you said you were using) and virtualdub AMD64 and I can't get the 64-bit VFW codec to show up. I'm really, really trying to avoid installing vista64 again.

Bill Ravens · June 30th, 2009, 12:42 PM

I would give Cineform some time to get to Win7. I know they're very swamped.

Graham Hickling · June 30th, 2009, 09:06 PM

Similar experience as Keith installing these versions (ProspectHD and Neoscene - tried both) with Premiere CS3 on Windows 7RC Build 7100.

- both installed to the correct directories
- encodes and exports of CFHD avis from Premiere are OK
- scrubbing is OK
- playback in Premiere's program windows is red and upside down (could be a graphics card issue?)
- had the 32 bit version of MSVCR80.dll with PHD installed, but Neoscene updated it to the 64bit version
- VirtualDub 32 finds the CFHD vfw codec
- Virtualdub 64 does NOT, even with a manual right-click and 'install' applied to the inf file

I don't have a CFHD64.dll file (just two versions of CFHD.dll) nor a Cineform install.bat file, so those bits of the thread above were mysterious to me ...

Walker dependency just shows the two files David says not to worry about.

David Newman · June 30th, 2009, 09:11 PM

We made some headway with Windows 7 also, more to come.

Keith Paisley · June 30th, 2009, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

We made some headway with Windows 7 also, more to come.

oh this is very good news. Please keep us updated.

Keith Paisley · June 30th, 2009, 10:11 PM

double ugh. I went through the pain of installing vista 64 home premium (SP1) on a spare drive, updated it to SP2, then installed the latest NeoScene beta (1.3.3.118) and virtualdub 64-bit (1.8.8-AMD64) and I'm still not having any luck. Besides some other standard "Windows Updates" i've done nothing else to this machine. Am I missing something obvious?

Jay Bloomfield · July 1st, 2009, 08:48 PM

There's still no 10 bit DirectShow import for After Effects CS4 and Prospect HD. AE only uses the VFW codec for AVI files and ignores the CFHDIO.aex plug-in. If you temporarily rename CFHD.DLL, then you get no Cineform video track in AE at all, only audio.

Cineform MOV files are properly imported into AE as 10 bit though.

David Newman · July 1st, 2009, 08:50 PM

This NeoScene version should install on 64-bit Windows 7.

http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Ne...118-090701.zip

Other builds to follow

Keith Paisley · July 1st, 2009, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

This NeoScene version should install on 64-bit Windows 7.

http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Ne...118-090701.zip

Other builds to follow

Oh yeah!!! I'm not ready to proclaim this as "the answer" but I can tell you right now that with this installer everything's good from a CFHD x64 standpoint on my "fresh" Vista64 install, whereas none of the other builds worked. So now I will switch my system back to the Win7 boot drive and try it out, and hopefully tomorrow I will be back in business.

thank you very much!

June 30th, 2009, 08:45 AM	#33
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	I've seen similar warnings with no issues, we don't directly use anything from those DLLs. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 30th, 2009, 09:11 PM	#40
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	We made some headway with Windows 7 also, more to come. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 1st, 2009, 08:50 PM	#44
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	This NeoScene version should install on 64-bit Windows 7. http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Ne...118-090701.zip Other builds to follow __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 30th, 2009, 08:30 AM	#32
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Keith... ieframe v 8.0.7100 shlwapi v 6.1.7100

June 30th, 2009, 09:09 AM	#36
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Vegas 9-64, MediaplayerClassic, Virtualdub, Avid, any vfw application will read CF DI's.

June 30th, 2009, 12:42 PM	#38
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I would give Cineform some time to get to Win7. I know they're very swamped.

June 30th, 2009, 09:06 PM	#39
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	Similar experience as Keith installing these versions (ProspectHD and Neoscene - tried both) with Premiere CS3 on Windows 7RC Build 7100. - both installed to the correct directories - encodes and exports of CFHD avis from Premiere are OK - scrubbing is OK - playback in Premiere's program windows is red and upside down (could be a graphics card issue?) - had the 32 bit version of MSVCR80.dll with PHD installed, but Neoscene updated it to the 64bit version - VirtualDub 32 finds the CFHD vfw codec - Virtualdub 64 does NOT, even with a manual right-click and 'install' applied to the inf file I don't have a CFHD64.dll file (just two versions of CFHD.dll) nor a Cineform install.bat file, so those bits of the thread above were mysterious to me ... Walker dependency just shows the two files David says not to worry about.

June 30th, 2009, 10:11 PM	#42
Keith Paisley Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 190	double ugh. I went through the pain of installing vista 64 home premium (SP1) on a spare drive, updated it to SP2, then installed the latest NeoScene beta (1.3.3.118) and virtualdub 64-bit (1.8.8-AMD64) and I'm still not having any luck. Besides some other standard "Windows Updates" i've done nothing else to this machine. Am I missing something obvious?

July 1st, 2009, 08:48 PM	#43
Jay Bloomfield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 433	There's still no 10 bit DirectShow import for After Effects CS4 and Prospect HD. AE only uses the VFW codec for AVI files and ignores the CFHDIO.aex plug-in. If you temporarily rename CFHD.DLL, then you get no Cineform video track in AE at all, only audio. Cineform MOV files are properly imported into AE as 10 bit though.