Build 211 report

Rick Casillas · May 25th, 2009, 10:37 AM

I Played with this new (build 211) all day yesterday, and I successfully rendered with AME about 10 times using various settings, including CFHD output. I had zero (0) errors! (build 210) was a guaranteed crash every 2 to 3 minutes of render and never got one video completed.

I also spend about 4 to 5 hours of scrubbing and editing, not errors there too. It just worked as intended. However, the RT engine is needed to get good fast results, I had some studder and choppiness, and at times it would temporary freeze, but after hitting the tab key again it would eventually stop and come back. No crashes!!!

There was one problem, however, and this was also there in (build 210). I did not figure it out until (build 211). When I was importing my 5dmII .MOV to .AVI I would get an error at different places. If I was importing 10 videos, the HDLink would crash randomly. I decided something different; I copied the .MOV to my "C:" drive and imported them to my "D:" drive and that did the trick. No more Crashes! I believe HDLink is so fast in converting, that a single drive cannot keep up with the conversion of reading and writing. Therefore, a crash occurs. My drives are fast, Raid 0 on my "D:" and 10K speed on my "C:" so I knew it was not due to just a slow drive.

The funny thing is that (build 208 and 209) did not crash when importing from the same drive, but the conversion is fast now, super fast, in comparison to 208/209.

I used First Light on all of my compositions and had no problems, and the results were amazing! I primarily did white balance and color saturation corrections, and it works super.

I can't wait for the RT engine and Adobe's CS4 4.1 update. That will finally get me what I started 4 months ago, CS4 with Cineform!!! working together as they should and saving gobs of time.

Thanks Dave and Cineform Team. Things are coming together.

Bruce Gruber · May 25th, 2009, 01:40 PM

UPDATE build 211 well after Matts fix because AME did not know where the file was I sucessfully exported (PPCS4) a 40min project transition,titles, even juice drop files!!!!!!!!!!!!export setting were 1920x1080 square progressive..

next problem ENCORE is now choking on the and can not create SD DVD it keeps crashing.

Bruce Gruber · May 26th, 2009, 03:18 AM

Project #2 Encoded to 1920x1080 interlaced 40min Titles transitions,music oh and multi-cam used. Encoded no problem..

Anish Sharma · May 26th, 2009, 06:03 PM

Bruce, has you managed to use hdlink to convert the hd to sd clip? Are you using 29fps or 25fps. My exported clips are causing hdlink to choke even though i can play them fine using media player.

Bruce Gruber · May 26th, 2009, 07:09 PM

Hi Anish,
I am using 29.97 I have not tried HDLINK I exported from PPCS4 uisng export to media/Cineform.avi 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 progressive. Then it took it to adobe media encoder. You Migh want to let it run over night because it took 5 hours for 40min time line.

Anish Sharma · May 26th, 2009, 07:37 PM

Thanks for the info. Yes, it does take a while to encode..my 2 hour timeline takes about 10 hours so it sucks when you find things dont end up to what you want it to be. I do 25fps but cineform doesnt seem to want to do that and keeps doing 29fps messing my audio at the same time. Also, seems like it somehow corrupts the file as well for some reason. Perfectly playable in media player but any further transcoding fails using hdlink or tmpenc. Have cases open with cineform but it hasnt got anywhere yet.

Bruce Gruber · May 26th, 2009, 08:10 PM

Anish,

I am trying tmpenc 4.0 express right now for SD DVD transcoding (trial) wow I almos feel off my chair when I saw how good it is!! ADOBE can not touch it! Do you use Encore to author? Also I could use any pointers for tmpenc you might have I am just learning now. You can send me an email at bagrubes@hotmail.com

I do not have any Idea why CF 25fps is crashing. So you were able to get your master file but when you try to go futher nothing likes the CF master?

Anish Sharma · May 27th, 2009, 01:05 AM

tmpgenc express is pretty good and they update it quite often. I have been using it for 3 years now and it is part of my workflow. i get the cf master but i cant do much with it..i exported only a tiny bit of the clip and i could do stuff with it but if i export the whole timeline it craps out. I have a feeling either cf is stuffing up with a frame somewhere while encoding or adobe is stuffing something up in media encoder. I tried using after effects to transcode the file but it threw an error about not being able to process a frame.

The irony of all these issues is that i paid for the software to basically beta test it. I wouldnt really mind that but it gets annoying when i dont have a log file to send to cineform to look into the issue and fix it asap. If i get stuck with a issue, its either spend hours trying to find a workaround or spend two to three days waiting for support to get back to me with some question which i reply to and wait for more days to get a response. It would be good to even send the file through but my first export is 14 gigs and my other one is 70 gigs so yeh that rules it out a bit :)

Now that my ranting is finished, i believe in cineform that they have a very nice product and they would eventually fix the issues but there is a thing called beta, final release and decent support. At the moment, the final release seems like a beta while the beta felt like a alpha.

Pat Reddy · May 27th, 2009, 11:19 PM

My earlier problems using build 211 with vegas 8 and Virtualdub continue. Both systems crash with this latest build. I just upgraded from neohdv, after a pretty thorough uninstall/reinstall I am still dead in the water. The crashes always occur near the end of rendering. I have submitted a ticket, and hope they can help soon. I have a film festival deadline coming up soon.

Pat

May 25th, 2009, 10:37 AM	#16
Rick Casillas Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 47	Works Great in XP 32 with PP CS4 I Played with this new (build 211) all day yesterday, and I successfully rendered with AME about 10 times using various settings, including CFHD output. I had zero (0) errors! (build 210) was a guaranteed crash every 2 to 3 minutes of render and never got one video completed. I also spend about 4 to 5 hours of scrubbing and editing, not errors there too. It just worked as intended. However, the RT engine is needed to get good fast results, I had some studder and choppiness, and at times it would temporary freeze, but after hitting the tab key again it would eventually stop and come back. No crashes!!! There was one problem, however, and this was also there in (build 210). I did not figure it out until (build 211). When I was importing my 5dmII .MOV to .AVI I would get an error at different places. If I was importing 10 videos, the HDLink would crash randomly. I decided something different; I copied the .MOV to my "C:" drive and imported them to my "D:" drive and that did the trick. No more Crashes! I believe HDLink is so fast in converting, that a single drive cannot keep up with the conversion of reading and writing. Therefore, a crash occurs. My drives are fast, Raid 0 on my "D:" and 10K speed on my "C:" so I knew it was not due to just a slow drive. The funny thing is that (build 208 and 209) did not crash when importing from the same drive, but the conversion is fast now, super fast, in comparison to 208/209. I used First Light on all of my compositions and had no problems, and the results were amazing! I primarily did white balance and color saturation corrections, and it works super. I can't wait for the RT engine and Adobe's CS4 4.1 update. That will finally get me what I started 4 months ago, CS4 with Cineform!!! working together as they should and saving gobs of time. Thanks Dave and Cineform Team. Things are coming together.

May 25th, 2009, 01:40 PM	#17
Bruce Gruber Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 221	vista 64 UPDATE build 211 well after Matts fix because AME did not know where the file was I sucessfully exported (PPCS4) a 40min project transition,titles, even juice drop files!!!!!!!!!!!!export setting were 1920x1080 square progressive.. next problem ENCORE is now choking on the and can not create SD DVD it keeps crashing.

May 26th, 2009, 03:18 AM	#18
Bruce Gruber Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 221	Update Project #2 Encoded to 1920x1080 interlaced 40min Titles transitions,music oh and multi-cam used. Encoded no problem..

May 26th, 2009, 06:03 PM	#19
Anish Sharma Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NZ Posts: 38	Bruce, has you managed to use hdlink to convert the hd to sd clip? Are you using 29fps or 25fps. My exported clips are causing hdlink to choke even though i can play them fine using media player.

May 26th, 2009, 07:09 PM	#20
Bruce Gruber Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 221	Hi Anish, I am using 29.97 I have not tried HDLINK I exported from PPCS4 uisng export to media/Cineform.avi 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 progressive. Then it took it to adobe media encoder. You Migh want to let it run over night because it took 5 hours for 40min time line.

May 26th, 2009, 07:37 PM	#21
Anish Sharma Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NZ Posts: 38	Thanks for the info. Yes, it does take a while to encode..my 2 hour timeline takes about 10 hours so it sucks when you find things dont end up to what you want it to be. I do 25fps but cineform doesnt seem to want to do that and keeps doing 29fps messing my audio at the same time. Also, seems like it somehow corrupts the file as well for some reason. Perfectly playable in media player but any further transcoding fails using hdlink or tmpenc. Have cases open with cineform but it hasnt got anywhere yet.

May 26th, 2009, 08:10 PM	#22
Bruce Gruber Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 221	Anish, I am trying tmpenc 4.0 express right now for SD DVD transcoding (trial) wow I almos feel off my chair when I saw how good it is!! ADOBE can not touch it! Do you use Encore to author? Also I could use any pointers for tmpenc you might have I am just learning now. You can send me an email at bagrubes@hotmail.com I do not have any Idea why CF 25fps is crashing. So you were able to get your master file but when you try to go futher nothing likes the CF master?

May 27th, 2009, 01:05 AM	#23
Anish Sharma Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NZ Posts: 38	tmpgenc express is pretty good and they update it quite often. I have been using it for 3 years now and it is part of my workflow. i get the cf master but i cant do much with it..i exported only a tiny bit of the clip and i could do stuff with it but if i export the whole timeline it craps out. I have a feeling either cf is stuffing up with a frame somewhere while encoding or adobe is stuffing something up in media encoder. I tried using after effects to transcode the file but it threw an error about not being able to process a frame. The irony of all these issues is that i paid for the software to basically beta test it. I wouldnt really mind that but it gets annoying when i dont have a log file to send to cineform to look into the issue and fix it asap. If i get stuck with a issue, its either spend hours trying to find a workaround or spend two to three days waiting for support to get back to me with some question which i reply to and wait for more days to get a response. It would be good to even send the file through but my first export is 14 gigs and my other one is 70 gigs so yeh that rules it out a bit :) Now that my ranting is finished, i believe in cineform that they have a very nice product and they would eventually fix the issues but there is a thing called beta, final release and decent support. At the moment, the final release seems like a beta while the beta felt like a alpha.

May 27th, 2009, 11:19 PM	#24
Pat Reddy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 288	My earlier problems using build 211 with vegas 8 and Virtualdub continue. Both systems crash with this latest build. I just upgraded from neohdv, after a pretty thorough uninstall/reinstall I am still dead in the water. The crashes always occur near the end of rendering. I have submitted a ticket, and hope they can help soon. I have a film festival deadline coming up soon. Pat