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Herminio Cordido · March 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM

Hi guys.

I will be shooting a film that is intended for film out on my Sony Ex1 and Canon 5D mark II.

The editor is going to use FCP, he doesn't have Cineform but Neo should do right?

I am a PC Prospect HD user and i think it will be better if i deliver Cineform .MOV files (1080 24P 4:2:2) so they have more flexibility and color sampling for post.
I this the best way with the tools available? or should i deliver the native files from the cameras?

Thanks.

Mike McCarthy · March 29th, 2009, 01:38 PM

How are you planning to get the 5D footage to 24p? Because 5D files don't edit smoothly, converting those to an intermediate format makes sense, especially since you will need to change the framerate. Since the 5D footage will be in an intermediate, converting the EX as well may lead to a smoother editing experience. (Fewer variables and possible conflicts to worry about)

David Newman · March 29th, 2009, 01:51 PM

Mike is correct, NEO HD would the tool that can handle 5D and EX footage. The conversion of 5D 30p to 24p question still remains. Running through AE's timewarp is an option, it is just very slow.

Herminio Cordido · March 29th, 2009, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Mike is correct, NEO HD would the tool that can handle 5D and EX footage. The conversion of 5D 30p to 24p question still remains. Running through AE's timewarp is an option, it is just very slow.

I am planning to play the 30P footage in 24 fps (not conversion, but slowmo).

I own Prospect HD, is it possible to convert 5d mark II files using HDlink?

Is it faster to edit cineform Files on a Mac (FCP) or should i hand in the original files and that's it?

Thanks

Michael Wisniewski · March 29th, 2009, 08:15 PM

For most film outs, the file format you use for your offline edit doesn't matter. Use the format that makes editing easy for you. Then go talk to the online editor/colorist to iron out how they would like to handle the conform.

Craig Davidson · March 29th, 2009, 10:13 PM

I would second the suggestion of talking to your editor. Both the Sony EX1 and Canon 5D mk II record in 4:2:2.

David Newman · March 29th, 2009, 10:18 PM

Craig, both are 4:2:0, we just upconvert them to 4:2:2.

Herminio Cordido · March 30th, 2009, 01:01 AM

Ok,
so if you have Final Cut Pro lastest edition

is it easier to edit cineform 4:2:2 .MOV files?

or

Ex1 4:2:0 mpeg files?

Michael Wisniewski · March 30th, 2009, 02:30 AM

Cineform will generally give you better editing performance. But you may not notice a huge difference, if you're just doing basic cuts, or you have a really fast Mac.

Here's a really useful Tech Note for editing Cineform files in Final Cut Pro.

Jack Walker · March 30th, 2009, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Davidson

Both the Sony EX1 and Canon 5D mk II record in 4:2:2.

There are differences depending on which generation of EX1 camera is used. Apparently recording in 4:2:2 (50Mbs) was not available until third genration EX1 cameras, even though the native resolution of the camera is 4:2:2.

The 35Mbs XDCAM EX is 4:2:0.

XDCAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Herminio Cordido · March 30th, 2009, 11:15 AM

Those "Generations" are not generation of one camera (EX1) they are generation as next upgrade camera...

EX1 records 4:2:0 to SxS cards no matter what "generation"

Jack Walker · March 30th, 2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herminio Cordido

Those "Generations" are not generation of one camera (EX1) they are generation as next upgrade camera...

EX1 records 4:2:0 to SxS cards no matter what "generation"

Yes, I see the generations are referring to XDCAM, the codec, not the camera.

So I guess that is:
Generation 1: XDCAM HD (4:2:0)
Generation 2: XDCAM EX (4:2:0)
Generation 3: XDCAM HD422 (4:2:2)

The EX1 and EX3 (and the new JVC HM cameras) record XDCAM EX.

XDCAMHD422 is on the PDW-700 camera.

March 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM	#1
Herminio Cordido Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 57	Film out Cineform Workflow Hi guys. I will be shooting a film that is intended for film out on my Sony Ex1 and Canon 5D mark II. The editor is going to use FCP, he doesn't have Cineform but Neo should do right? I am a PC Prospect HD user and i think it will be better if i deliver Cineform .MOV files (1080 24P 4:2:2) so they have more flexibility and color sampling for post. I this the best way with the tools available? or should i deliver the native files from the cameras? Thanks.

March 29th, 2009, 01:38 PM	#2
Mike McCarthy Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 517	How are you planning to get the 5D footage to 24p? Because 5D files don't edit smoothly, converting those to an intermediate format makes sense, especially since you will need to change the framerate. Since the 5D footage will be in an intermediate, converting the EX as well may lead to a smoother editing experience. (Fewer variables and possible conflicts to worry about) __________________ For more information on these topics, check out my tech website at www.hd4pc.com

March 29th, 2009, 01:51 PM	#3
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Mike is correct, NEO HD would the tool that can handle 5D and EX footage. The conversion of 5D 30p to 24p question still remains. Running through AE's timewarp is an option, it is just very slow. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 29th, 2009, 08:15 PM	#5
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	For most film outs, the file format you use for your offline edit doesn't matter. Use the format that makes editing easy for you. Then go talk to the online editor/colorist to iron out how they would like to handle the conform. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

March 29th, 2009, 10:18 PM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Craig, both are 4:2:0, we just upconvert them to 4:2:2. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 29th, 2009, 10:13 PM	#6
Craig Davidson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 142	I would second the suggestion of talking to your editor. Both the Sony EX1 and Canon 5D mk II record in 4:2:2.

March 30th, 2009, 01:01 AM	#8
Herminio Cordido Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 57	Ok, so if you have Final Cut Pro lastest edition is it easier to edit cineform 4:2:2 .MOV files? or Ex1 4:2:0 mpeg files?

March 30th, 2009, 02:30 AM	#9
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Cineform will generally give you better editing performance. But you may not notice a huge difference, if you're just doing basic cuts, or you have a really fast Mac. Here's a really useful Tech Note for editing Cineform files in Final Cut Pro. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

March 30th, 2009, 11:15 AM	#11
Herminio Cordido Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 57	Those "Generations" are not generation of one camera (EX1) they are generation as next upgrade camera... EX1 records 4:2:0 to SxS cards no matter what "generation"