Weekend Beta of NeoScene 1.1.3 at DVinfo.net

David Newman · March 21st, 2009, 06:34 PM

We finally found out what was going wrong with clash between Nero 7 and NeoScene, so we here is the beta that addresses that. The second big change is regarding 30.0 vs 29.97fps of the Canon 5D MkII. While NeoScene's AVCHD decoder thought the source was 29.97 when it was in fact 30.0, we now have official embraced the 29.97 conversion. Both audio and video stream a resampled to 29.97 (no quality loss,) allowing for much easier work with other camera sources (all 29.97 or 23.976 based) and for easier export to DVD and BluRay (both 29.97 not 30fps.) If we left it as 30.0, the default 29.97 timelines and disk formats can cause issues such as frame drops, frame blending artifacts, or audio sync programs. Standardizing to 29.97 makes everyone editing life easier, so it is an automatic feature on NeoScene 1.1.3.

Please give it a try : http://miscdata.com/cineform/NeoScen....111-Setup.zip

Chris Barcellos · March 21st, 2009, 07:22 PM

Thanks David, I could smell the midnight oil burning all week.. I will give it a try...

David Newman · March 21st, 2009, 07:43 PM

This one wasn't my effort, finished Friday by others, I just posted it. You can thank Tim and Jake to solving the Nero issue.

Charles W. Hull · March 22nd, 2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by David Newman

Please give it a try : http://miscdata.com/cineform/NeoScen....111-Setup.zip

Does this install the CFHDDecoder.dll? We we need to pull that out before installing 1.1.3?

David Newman · March 22nd, 2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles W. Hull

Does this install the CFHDDecoder.dll? We we need to pull that out before installing 1.1.3?

They aren't related, yet. Once NeoScene adds direct CS4 support (rather than through VfW), then removing manually added components will be advised.

Edouard Saba · March 22nd, 2009, 01:16 PM

So David, I did test the new version and I didn't get errors anymore. I could convert all the files and edit them without problems in CS3 and CS4 (Windows 7 64 bit). The quality of the videos is really good.

Charles W. Hull · March 22nd, 2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David Newman

Standardizing to 29.97 makes everyone editing life easier, so it is an automatic feature on NeoScene 1.1.3.
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Also confirming that 1.1.3 works for me as described. The video and audio are in sync and the same length. 29.97 it is!

Eugenia Loli-Queru · March 25th, 2009, 06:24 AM

David, is it possible to allow us to choose if we want resampling or not? You see, resampling creates extreme ghosting, personally, I can't stand the look of resampled video. I prefer a few and between dropped frames than ghosting. On Sony Vegas we can easily disable resample on each clip in the timeline, so I think it's important to have this feature on Cineform's utils as well.

David Newman · March 25th, 2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru

David, is it possible to allow us to choose if we want resampling or not? You see, resampling creates extreme ghosting, personally, I can't stand the look of resampled video. I prefer a few and between dropped frames than ghosting. On Sony Vegas we can easily disable resample on each clip in the timeline, so I think it's important to have this feature on Cineform's utils as well.

There is absolutely ZERO ghosting, we are not "resampling" the video in that way, just setting the same existing frames at 29.97. What you describe above it what we are fixing, for many users are putting 30.0 into a 29.97 timeline with frame blending on, that produces all those ugly results. This is a real fix for some of Canon's screw-ups, customers are loving it.

Pete Bauer · March 25th, 2009, 10:08 AM

David clarified what he meant by "resampling" here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos...s-29-97-a.html

Tom Roper · April 21st, 2009, 07:52 AM

I downloaded the trial of Neo Scene for Canon 5DMkII video. The 30 to 29.97 solved the frame blend problem. I am using Vegas 8.0(c).

Does it also correct the color space issue? It seems when comparing the native .mov to the Neo Scene .AVI with Canon Zoombrowser, the darks have been lifted and the highlights have been lowered.

I don't want to be correcting for this issue twice.

David Newman · April 21st, 2009, 08:39 AM

Neo Scene 1.2 normalizes the Canon 5D color so that it using the same ranges as other cameras (16-235). You don't need to correct for this further.

Tom Roper · April 21st, 2009, 08:48 AM

Perfect. Thanks David.

John Cline · April 21st, 2009, 09:12 PM

The link to NeoScene v1.1.3 in the first message from David Newman seems to be broken. Is it just me?

Ike Tamigian · April 21st, 2009, 09:34 PM

That's probably because it's no longer in beta. You can download it from the site now as a release.

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Originally Posted by John Cline

The link to NeoScene v1.1.3 in the first message from David Newman seems to be broken. Is it just me?

March 21st, 2009, 06:34 PM	#1
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Weekend Beta of NeoScene 1.1.3 We finally found out what was going wrong with clash between Nero 7 and NeoScene, so we here is the beta that addresses that. The second big change is regarding 30.0 vs 29.97fps of the Canon 5D MkII. While NeoScene's AVCHD decoder thought the source was 29.97 when it was in fact 30.0, we now have official embraced the 29.97 conversion. Both audio and video stream a resampled to 29.97 (no quality loss,) allowing for much easier work with other camera sources (all 29.97 or 23.976 based) and for easier export to DVD and BluRay (both 29.97 not 30fps.) If we left it as 30.0, the default 29.97 timelines and disk formats can cause issues such as frame drops, frame blending artifacts, or audio sync programs. Standardizing to 29.97 makes everyone editing life easier, so it is an automatic feature on NeoScene 1.1.3. Please give it a try : http://miscdata.com/cineform/NeoScen....111-Setup.zip __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman Last edited by David Newman; March 21st, 2009 at 08:33 PM.

March 21st, 2009, 07:22 PM	#2
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Thanks David, I could smell the midnight oil burning all week.. I will give it a try... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 21st, 2009, 07:43 PM	#3
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	This one wasn't my effort, finished Friday by others, I just posted it. You can thank Tim and Jake to solving the Nero issue. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman Last edited by David Newman; March 21st, 2009 at 08:29 PM.

March 25th, 2009, 10:08 AM	#10
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	David clarified what he meant by "resampling" here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos...s-29-97-a.html __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

April 21st, 2009, 08:39 AM	#12
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Neo Scene 1.2 normalizes the Canon 5D color so that it using the same ranges as other cameras (16-235). You don't need to correct for this further. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 22nd, 2009, 01:16 PM	#6
Edouard Saba Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berlin Germany Posts: 25	So David, I did test the new version and I didn't get errors anymore. I could convert all the files and edit them without problems in CS3 and CS4 (Windows 7 64 bit). The quality of the videos is really good.

March 25th, 2009, 06:24 AM	#8
Eugenia Loli-Queru Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 348	David, is it possible to allow us to choose if we want resampling or not? You see, resampling creates extreme ghosting, personally, I can't stand the look of resampled video. I prefer a few and between dropped frames than ghosting. On Sony Vegas we can easily disable resample on each clip in the timeline, so I think it's important to have this feature on Cineform's utils as well.

April 21st, 2009, 07:52 AM	#11
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	I downloaded the trial of Neo Scene for Canon 5DMkII video. The 30 to 29.97 solved the frame blend problem. I am using Vegas 8.0(c). Does it also correct the color space issue? It seems when comparing the native .mov to the Neo Scene .AVI with Canon Zoombrowser, the darks have been lifted and the highlights have been lowered. I don't want to be correcting for this issue twice.

April 21st, 2009, 08:48 AM	#13
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	Perfect. Thanks David.

April 21st, 2009, 09:12 PM	#14
John Cline Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 333	The link to NeoScene v1.1.3 in the first message from David Newman seems to be broken. Is it just me?