Update: Prospect HD/4K v4 and Neo HD/4K v4 at DVinfo.net

David Taylor · February 26th, 2009, 07:47 PM

We're long overdue for giving everybody an update on Prospect and Neo v4 status.

First of all - why the delay? Our CS4 importer is mostly all working internally, but we're dealing with one Adobe issue that we don't have direct control over, and which needs to be resolved prior to shipping. It's very high priority for us, and it is getting close. We realize this delay is frustrating for you, and it is also frustrating for us.

When will it be available? We can't predict definitively, but we *hope* within a week or so of this post. When will Neo v4 and Prospect v4 be available? As soon as the importer is ready we'll cut version 4 builds of both.

The new builds will include:

* CS4 importer
* new components to work with AVCHD and Canon 5D Mark II sources
* Prospect only - CS3 RT engine and effects
* Prospect only - CineForm effects for CS4 (without RT engine)

What will come later (e.g. what is not in the first builds)?

* CineForm Exporter
* "First Light". We'll offer more details on First Light soon, but as a teaser First Light will expose Active Metadata controls for real-time renderless color workflows into a new standalone application. By analogy, think of "Lightroom" for video/film data, or if you don't know Lightroom, think "Adjustment Layers" in Photoshop. This is a very powerful application, and will be included as part of both Neo and Prospect products. We should have a public beta by around the end of March. All Neo/Prospect v4 customers will get the update for First Light for free.
* Prospect only - CineForm RT engine.
* Prospect only - Blackmagic Decklink/Intensity support
* Other items we won't talk about for now....

So, in summary, we apologize for the delay, and wish it were all under our control. But we're working as hard on this as possible - please bear with us....

Manuel Lopez · February 27th, 2009, 05:04 AM

Thanks, Mr. Taylor

Marty Baggen · February 27th, 2009, 09:24 AM

CS4 has been sitting on a shelf for weeks without much fanfare.

Hearing what Cineform has in store has got me excited about the upgrade.... but it's certainly not due to anything in particular that Adobe is doing.

I hope those guys understand the added value you are providing their product. CS4 would not be a "need" for me were it not for the features I am hearing of from Cineform.

Take your time.... I sure this update is going to be well worth the wait.

Adam Gold · February 27th, 2009, 10:58 AM

I, too, have CS4 sitting on my shelf and I have no intention of installing it until RT acceleration is available in Prospect for CS4. While I'm eager to make the move, I'm happy to let our Cineform guys work everything out and get a rock-solid, stable SW combo.

Stephen Armour · February 28th, 2009, 01:01 PM

Ditto for us. Though some of the included CS4 progs have some update value, additional CF possibilities are why we bought a CS4 for our fourth workstation...and why it's just sitting around doing easy Dreamweaver stuff until CF can get Adobe to cooperate.

You listening Adobe? You better, because quite a few in this market are.

Taroen Pasman · March 3rd, 2009, 05:44 AM

Thanks for the information Mr Taylor.

Question though: I've bought Neo HD because it promised 5D MkII compatibility in v4. Unfortunately Neo Scene has that feature already as we speak (while 5D support was listed as a difference between neo HD en Neo Scene, where Neo Scene would NOT have 5D support).

Well, that's partly my fault for being impatient (and Lord knows I've spent money on stupider stuff)
But at this moment I'm kind of worried because I don't see 5D support in the aforementioned features, will that become available as well?

Greetings,

Taroen Pasman

David Newman · March 3rd, 2009, 10:09 AM

NEO HD v4 is coming next -- very soon. Neo Scene had 5D support added first due to third party licensing issues that get resolved in v4 of NEO HD also. You will not be disappointed in your selection of NEO HD for 5D post production.

Bob Berg · March 6th, 2009, 11:55 PM

Any thoughts yet about the cost of upgrading from the current Prospect HD 3 to 4?

David Newman · March 8th, 2009, 10:17 AM

Likely around $200 for long term users, any recent purchases get upgraded for free (last 90-days is typical.) The details have not been finalized.

Adam Zell · March 10th, 2009, 09:02 AM

Say David, do you have an idea of really when you will release the cineform premiere importer. I have a baby coming late this week and would love to try this out with the new CS4??

David Newman · March 10th, 2009, 09:13 AM

One or two bugs to fix and it will be out.

Steve Montoto · March 10th, 2009, 09:37 AM

Great News David! I can't wait to use it with CS4.

Marty Hudzik · March 10th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Likely around $200 for long term users, any recent purchases get upgraded for free (last 90-days is typical.) The details have not been finalized.

I sure hope those of us that upgraded from Aspect to Prospect in January are included in the free upgrade to 4 as it was listed. I realize 90 days has not passed but I am past 60 and it seems that Prospect 4 might not actually get released within my 90 day window. I realize you have run into issues with CS4 that are causing the delays, but I purchased Prospect specifically for use in CS4 and it was stated that we'd get the free upgrade. Can you clarify that for us?

Adam Zell · March 10th, 2009, 10:53 AM

David, if that is true, you truely made my pregnant wife a happy woman if I get CS4 importer before the week is up!! Otherwise it was nice knowing you guys!! hahahaha... Ahhhh... Pregnant wife strangeling me..

Craig Irving · March 10th, 2009, 10:54 AM

It was promised, so I'm pretty sure you'll get it. I ordered it myself and expect it also. They haven't since led anyone to believe otherwise.

February 26th, 2009, 07:47 PM	#1
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Update: Prospect HD/4K v4 and Neo HD/4K v4 We're long overdue for giving everybody an update on Prospect and Neo v4 status. First of all - why the delay? Our CS4 importer is mostly all working internally, but we're dealing with one Adobe issue that we don't have direct control over, and which needs to be resolved prior to shipping. It's very high priority for us, and it is getting close. We realize this delay is frustrating for you, and it is also frustrating for us. When will it be available? We can't predict definitively, but we hope within a week or so of this post. When will Neo v4 and Prospect v4 be available? As soon as the importer is ready we'll cut version 4 builds of both. The new builds will include: * CS4 importer * new components to work with AVCHD and Canon 5D Mark II sources * Prospect only - CS3 RT engine and effects * Prospect only - CineForm effects for CS4 (without RT engine) What will come later (e.g. what is not in the first builds)? * CineForm Exporter * "First Light". We'll offer more details on First Light soon, but as a teaser First Light will expose Active Metadata controls for real-time renderless color workflows into a new standalone application. By analogy, think of "Lightroom" for video/film data, or if you don't know Lightroom, think "Adjustment Layers" in Photoshop. This is a very powerful application, and will be included as part of both Neo and Prospect products. We should have a public beta by around the end of March. All Neo/Prospect v4 customers will get the update for First Light for free. * Prospect only - CineForm RT engine. * Prospect only - Blackmagic Decklink/Intensity support * Other items we won't talk about for now.... So, in summary, we apologize for the delay, and wish it were all under our control. But we're working as hard on this as possible - please bear with us....

February 28th, 2009, 01:01 PM	#5
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	Ditto for us. Though some of the included CS4 progs have some update value, additional CF possibilities are why we bought a CS4 for our fourth workstation...and why it's just sitting around doing easy Dreamweaver stuff until CF can get Adobe to cooperate. You listening Adobe? You better, because quite a few in this market are. __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

March 3rd, 2009, 10:09 AM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	NEO HD v4 is coming next -- very soon. Neo Scene had 5D support added first due to third party licensing issues that get resolved in v4 of NEO HD also. You will not be disappointed in your selection of NEO HD for 5D post production. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 6th, 2009, 11:55 PM	#8
Bob Berg New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 14	Cost? Any thoughts yet about the cost of upgrading from the current Prospect HD 3 to 4?

March 8th, 2009, 10:17 AM	#9
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Likely around $200 for long term users, any recent purchases get upgraded for free (last 90-days is typical.) The details have not been finalized. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 27th, 2009, 05:04 AM	#2
Manuel Lopez Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Spain Posts: 40	Thanks, Mr. Taylor

February 27th, 2009, 09:24 AM	#3
Marty Baggen Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: monroe, or Posts: 572	CS4 has been sitting on a shelf for weeks without much fanfare. Hearing what Cineform has in store has got me excited about the upgrade.... but it's certainly not due to anything in particular that Adobe is doing. I hope those guys understand the added value you are providing their product. CS4 would not be a "need" for me were it not for the features I am hearing of from Cineform. Take your time.... I sure this update is going to be well worth the wait.

February 27th, 2009, 10:58 AM	#4
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	I, too, have CS4 sitting on my shelf and I have no intention of installing it until RT acceleration is available in Prospect for CS4. While I'm eager to make the move, I'm happy to let our Cineform guys work everything out and get a rock-solid, stable SW combo.

March 3rd, 2009, 05:44 AM	#6
Taroen Pasman New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Houten (Netherlands) Posts: 11	Thanks for the information Mr Taylor. Question though: I've bought Neo HD because it promised 5D MkII compatibility in v4. Unfortunately Neo Scene has that feature already as we speak (while 5D support was listed as a difference between neo HD en Neo Scene, where Neo Scene would NOT have 5D support). Well, that's partly my fault for being impatient (and Lord knows I've spent money on stupider stuff) But at this moment I'm kind of worried because I don't see 5D support in the aforementioned features, will that become available as well? Greetings, Taroen Pasman

March 10th, 2009, 09:02 AM	#10
Adam Zell New Boot Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oconomowoc, WI. Posts: 9	Cineform Premiere importer Say David, do you have an idea of really when you will release the cineform premiere importer. I have a baby coming late this week and would love to try this out with the new CS4??

March 10th, 2009, 09:13 AM	#11
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	One or two bugs to fix and it will be out. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 10th, 2009, 09:37 AM	#12
Steve Montoto Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 302	Great News David! I can't wait to use it with CS4.

March 10th, 2009, 10:53 AM	#14
Adam Zell New Boot Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oconomowoc, WI. Posts: 9	CS4 Happy Baby David, if that is true, you truely made my pregnant wife a happy woman if I get CS4 importer before the week is up!! Otherwise it was nice knowing you guys!! hahahaha... Ahhhh... Pregnant wife strangeling me..

March 10th, 2009, 10:54 AM	#15
Craig Irving Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 539	It was promised, so I'm pretty sure you'll get it. I ordered it myself and expect it also. They haven't since led anyone to believe otherwise.