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Ffritz Arn · February 16th, 2009, 01:52 PM

Hi

I use cineform Prospect 4K and AfterEffects CS3 on XP 32 Bit. When I capture a tape from the camera and convert it via HD Link I can play the files in Windows Media Player 10 or 11 without any problems. When I import thees files in AE CS3 and then render out a cineform avi I can't play them in Media Player. Does anybody has a hint on this?

Fritz

David Newman · February 16th, 2009, 02:17 PM

From AE only use the "CineForm AVI" output module within the render queue. If you use AE Video For Windows exporter, it is bugging for large files (just too old an AVI format basically.) If you were using the correct output module, file a trouble ticket with cineform.com/support and upload a short sample that has the issue.

Andy Urtusuastegui · February 16th, 2009, 06:44 PM

I am concerned. I thought with NeoScene 1.1 if I export from Premiere (either CS3 or CS3) we are using VfW.
Also, is VfW 8bit only? NeoScene captures with 10bit correct? So if I do color corrections,and other edits, then want to export the entire timeline as a Cineform AVI (for archieving as an example) what will be the final w
Is there the same problem as with AE?

Thanks.

David Newman · February 16th, 2009, 08:06 PM

If you want 10-bit out of AE you need at least NEO HD. Neo Scene was designed for the hobbiest / casual user, those needing 10-bit exports are you clearly are above this category. Yes the VfW interface is limited to 8-bit per channel (or 24/32-bit RGB.) Under NEO HD we include DirectShow encoder that support deeper pixel formats via a custom export module included in our higher-end PC tools.

Ffritz Arn · February 16th, 2009, 11:45 PM

Thanks for the answer David

I do the export from AE CS3 as you mentioned above with the "CineForm AVI" ouput module. I found out, that when the file is small (12MB) then I can play it in the MediaPlayer. When the file is bigger (> 120MB) it won't play in the media player. When I export from PremierePro there is no such problem. As well when I import the file previously exported from AE in Premiere and render it again it works as well. The AE and the PP exporter are not the same?

David Newman · February 16th, 2009, 11:51 PM

They are not the same.

Send samples to support, as that doesn't make sense.

Ffritz Arn · February 17th, 2009, 02:37 AM

OK. Then I will try to generate some files and send them to the cineform support.
Thanks for your help.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · February 17th, 2009, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

If you want 10-bit out of AE you need at least NEO HD. Neo Scene was designed for the hobbiest / casual user

David, what about working with Neo Scene files within Premiere Pro CS3 - are they 10-bit? In other words, am I dealing with "better" files for colour correction etc than if I just did a native import of HDV?

Ffritz Arn · February 18th, 2009, 12:09 AM

David

I used the player you mentioned in another post (Media Player Classic) and the files from AE CS3 (Cineform) are all OK. They just don't play in MS Media Player. On another PC with NEO Player installed they work Media Player, so I think there is a configuration issue on the pc with Prospect installed. My problem is solved and I am very very happy with cineform.

Fritz

February 16th, 2009, 01:52 PM	#1
Ffritz Arn New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland Posts: 24	Cineform and CS3 Hi I use cineform Prospect 4K and AfterEffects CS3 on XP 32 Bit. When I capture a tape from the camera and convert it via HD Link I can play the files in Windows Media Player 10 or 11 without any problems. When I import thees files in AE CS3 and then render out a cineform avi I can't play them in Media Player. Does anybody has a hint on this? Fritz

February 16th, 2009, 02:17 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	From AE only use the "CineForm AVI" output module within the render queue. If you use AE Video For Windows exporter, it is bugging for large files (just too old an AVI format basically.) If you were using the correct output module, file a trouble ticket with cineform.com/support and upload a short sample that has the issue. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 16th, 2009, 06:44 PM	#3
Andy Urtusuastegui Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Foothill Ranch, CA Posts: 166	I am concerned. I thought with NeoScene 1.1 if I export from Premiere (either CS3 or CS3) we are using VfW. Also, is VfW 8bit only? NeoScene captures with 10bit correct? So if I do color corrections,and other edits, then want to export the entire timeline as a Cineform AVI (for archieving as an example) what will be the final w Is there the same problem as with AE? Thanks. Last edited by Andy Urtusuastegui; February 16th, 2009 at 07:29 PM.

February 16th, 2009, 08:06 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	If you want 10-bit out of AE you need at least NEO HD. Neo Scene was designed for the hobbiest / casual user, those needing 10-bit exports are you clearly are above this category. Yes the VfW interface is limited to 8-bit per channel (or 24/32-bit RGB.) Under NEO HD we include DirectShow encoder that support deeper pixel formats via a custom export module included in our higher-end PC tools. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 16th, 2009, 11:51 PM	#6
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	They are not the same. Send samples to support, as that doesn't make sense. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 16th, 2009, 11:45 PM	#5
Ffritz Arn New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland Posts: 24	Thanks for the answer David I do the export from AE CS3 as you mentioned above with the "CineForm AVI" ouput module. I found out, that when the file is small (12MB) then I can play it in the MediaPlayer. When the file is bigger (> 120MB) it won't play in the media player. When I export from PremierePro there is no such problem. As well when I import the file previously exported from AE in Premiere and render it again it works as well. The AE and the PP exporter are not the same?

February 17th, 2009, 02:37 AM	#7
Ffritz Arn New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland Posts: 24	OK. Then I will try to generate some files and send them to the cineform support. Thanks for your help.

February 18th, 2009, 12:09 AM	#9
Ffritz Arn New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland Posts: 24	David I used the player you mentioned in another post (Media Player Classic) and the files from AE CS3 (Cineform) are all OK. They just don't play in MS Media Player. On another PC with NEO Player installed they work Media Player, so I think there is a configuration issue on the pc with Prospect installed. My problem is solved and I am very very happy with cineform. Fritz