Neo Scene (Win) now supports 5D Mk II at DVinfo.net

David Taylor · February 13th, 2009, 03:08 PM

We just posted the new Windows build for Neo Scene that supports the Canon 5D Mark II. Enjoy!

BTW, the recently added support for the 5D2 will migrate into all other CineForm products. This will happen first on Mac. Give us a little bit of time on Windows because we're in the middle of working on the upgrades for both Neo HD/4K (Win) and Prospect HD/4K.

Downloads page: http://www.cineform.com/downloads.aspx

Ryan Thom · February 13th, 2009, 05:16 PM

Just downloaded the new NeoScene windows trial and I'm getting a weird error: after the conversion is done, if I try to select the new .AVI file, Explorer crashes!

This is on a WinXP SP3 32-bit machine. I installed the trial, then:
1) clicked Convert tab.
2) added file (a 5Dmk2 .MOV file that was on my harddrive)
3) unchecked "Split Scenes"
4) hit Start

First time program crashed, with nothing in the log. I also had a previous CineForm trial installed (NeoHD I think?) so I uninstalled that and NeoScene, then re-installed Neo Scene. This time it completed, producing the AVI.

However, if I browse to the file and click on it, Explorer crashes. Happens every time. Happens instantly, too.... I simply single-click on the AVI to select it, and bam, explorer crashes.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: Event Viewer doesn't show anything too useful. Every time it crashes there's an Information record from source "Winlogin": "The shell stopped unexpectedly and Explorer.exe was restarted."

David Taylor · February 13th, 2009, 05:32 PM

Thanks Ryan - we'll look at it....

Tim Bucklin · February 13th, 2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Thom

I also had a previous CineForm trial installed (NeoHD I think?) so I uninstalled that and NeoScene, then re-installed Neo Scene. This time it completed, producing the AVI.

However, if I browse to the file and click on it, Explorer crashes. Happens every time. Happens instantly, too.... I simply single-click on the AVI to select it, and bam, explorer crashes.

Hi Ryan,
There's probably still a conflict with the codec left behind from the old software. You should try a system clean:

Uninstall all CineForm Software that you have installed.

Remove 'CineForm HD VFW Codec' from Add/Remove Programs (if it is listed there).

Check C:\Program Files to see if there is a 'CineForm' directory present. If there is, delete it.

Check C:\Program Files\Common Files to see if a 'CineForm' or 'Moonlight' directory is present. If either of them are there, delete them.

Check C:\Windows\System32 to see if two files are present, "CFHD.dll", "CHFD.inf". If either of them are there, delete them.

Click on the 'Start' button

Select 'Run'

Type 'regedit' and click 'Ok'

Open 'Hkey_Local_Machine'

Under ‘Heky_Local_Machine’ open 'Software'

If a 'CineForm' folder is present, delete it.

Open 'Hkey_Current_User'

Under ‘Hkey_Current_User’ open 'Software'

If you see a 'CineForm' folder, delete it.

Re-install the latest Neo Scene.

If troubles persist, please file a trouble ticket. We've tested this here on both 32- and 64-bit versions of XP and Vista, and none of our test machines are exhibiting this behavior, so we'll need to pinpoint the problem on your machine.

Regards,
Tim
CineForm

Keith Paisley · February 13th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Bucklin

Hi Ryan,
There's probably still a conflict with the codec left behind from the old software. You should try a system clean:

Uninstall all CineForm Software that you have installed.

Remove 'CineForm HD VFW Codec' from Add/Remove Programs (if it is listed there).

Check C:\Program Files to see if there is a 'CineForm' directory present. If there is, delete it.

Check C:\Program Files\Common Files to see if a 'CineForm' or 'Moonlight' directory is present. If either of them are there, delete them.

Check C:\Windows\System32 to see if two files are present, "CFHD.dll", "CHFD.inf". If either of them are there, delete them.

Click on the 'Start' button

Select 'Run'

Type 'regedit' and click 'Ok'

Open 'Hkey_Local_Machine'

Under ‘Heky_Local_Machine’ open 'Software'

If a 'CineForm' folder is present, delete it.

Open 'Hkey_Current_User'

Under ‘Hkey_Current_User’ open 'Software'

If you see a 'CineForm' folder, delete it.

Re-install the latest Neo Scene.

If troubles persist, please file a trouble ticket. We've tested this here on both 32- and 64-bit versions of XP and Vista, and none of our test machines are exhibiting this behavior, so we'll need to pinpoint the problem on your machine.

Regards,
Tim
CineForm

I was just about to post my own bug report here but this is pretty much what I'm facing too. I'm just about to try these steps to see if the problem is cured. Will update shortly...

Keith Paisley · February 13th, 2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Paisley

I was just about to post my own bug report here but this is pretty much what I'm facing too. I'm just about to try these steps to see if the problem is cured. Will update shortly...

UPDATE: not fixed :(

it seems to work okay for smaller files (or at least the few that I tested) but on the 2.5-3.8GB files I wanted to convert it is crashing. It seems like it reaches a point where the "encoding" is done but it doesn't finish (it shows a file size that stops growing - and strangely, it seems like every time I try this, the file size it stops growing at is different). So then I look at windows task manager and see that hdlink.exe is still pegging all 4 CPU cores at about 95% and the memory usage is steadily growing. On the crash that I'm currently looking at it's showing 1,658,448K of memory usage.

David Newman · February 13th, 2009, 06:32 PM

If something is happening in your larger files you may need to put a sample on a DVD mail it to support.

Rich Castro · February 13th, 2009, 10:12 PM

It doesnt seem to work for me either.

After selecting a clip I click on start and it shows "coverting..." but nothing happens. I've tested it on small and large files but it will not complete.

The log simply shows "...capture/convert application started."

Any ideas?

System:
Vista64
Q6600
8GB Ram

Rich Castro · February 13th, 2009, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Castro

It doesnt seem to work for me either.

After selecting a clip I click on start and it shows "coverting..." but nothing happens. I've tested it on small and large files but it will not complete.

The log simply shows "...capture/convert application started."

Any ideas?

System:
Vista64
Q6600
8GB Ram

After rebooting, it now crashes upon clicking on start.

Rich Castro · February 13th, 2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Castro

After rebooting, it now crashes upon clicking on start.

Did the full uninstall, including the registry clean. And it now works! Thanks.

I'll try to test it it out within the short 7 day trial. If all goes well, I'll be buying!

David Newman · February 13th, 2009, 10:45 PM

Weird, it not your OS CPU or RAM config, we of course have tested on all typical OS combinations, even works on my home XP 64 system (it is new and being finicky with some other apps.) There is likely some other component on your system that is interfering or one of ours not installed correctly. We are all back Tuesday (Monday is Presidents day,) so you have to weekend to come up with any ideas, like ffdshow, Halii media splitter, or something else that could be getting in the way, then please contact support.

David Newman · February 13th, 2009, 11:03 PM

Some things to try. Convert other AVCHD or HDV sources, to you have the same issue? If you do that suggests a CineForm install issue as those core features have changed very little. Try installing NEO HD and converting the same sources, if that works, uninstall NEO HD and reinstall Neo Scene (it might now work) -- this will help determine if there is a component missing from the Neo Scene install. The 5D support is the main new feature, so if that is all that is failing, try sources with and without audio, many of the changes for 5D support were in the audio handling. Some ideas. If you can point out a more accurate failure point, I can look into it over the long weekend.

Julian Frost · February 13th, 2009, 11:27 PM

David,

As one of those who said they'd happily buy NeoScene if it supported the 5D mk II, I'm chomping at the bit to try it. That said, I've not seen many (any?) reports where the user says it's working trouble-free for them.

If I download the trial and it doesn't work for me, due to some bugs, will I ever be able to download another Trial version at some point in the future (after the initial trial period has expired) to see if the bug fixes worked? If not, I guess I'll have to delay trying the Trial software until other brave souls have been the guinnea pigs and found all the kinks!

Some of the errors reported above were exactly the errors I was getting when running HDLink from the NeoHD trial (conversions stopping at random times, zero-byte files being created, no audio, and the page file growing with each conversion until it crashed Windows). If I get the same, or different errors again with NeoScene and my Trial expires, how will I know that they've been fixed if I can't ever run the Trials again?

Also, will the Cineform converted 5D mk II files play in real time from the Timeline in Premier Pro CS3?

Thanks for your help,

Julian

Andy Urtusuastegui · February 13th, 2009, 11:42 PM

I have the same problem as Ryan, but I have existing AVI files converted from NeoScene 1.04

If I browse to the file and click on it, Explorer crashes. Happens every time. Happens instantly, too.... I simply single-click on the AVI to select it, explorer crashes.

Also, if I just open a explorer window with the cineform files in it, the explorer windows crashes after a few seconds.

I also followed Tim Bucklin;s instructions. Still crashes explorer.
If I uninstall NeoScene 1.1, reinstalled NeoScene 1.04, all is ok.

Computer is WinXP SP3 32-bit machine. 2GB RAM, CS3

If I browse to the file and click on it, Explorer crashes. Happens every time. Happens instantly, too.... I simply single-click on the AVI to select it, and bam, explorer crashes.

Bob Hart · February 13th, 2009, 11:53 PM

Try control+alt+delete to bring up the task manager tile. Windows media player might be invisibly hung in the background. It draws very little if any CPU but seems to paralyse my system if it has hung like that.

My computer is a no-name home assembled non-certified crossbreed PC so this could be entirely unrelated.

February 13th, 2009, 03:08 PM	#1
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Neo Scene (Win) now supports 5D Mk II We just posted the new Windows build for Neo Scene that supports the Canon 5D Mark II. Enjoy! BTW, the recently added support for the 5D2 will migrate into all other CineForm products. This will happen first on Mac. Give us a little bit of time on Windows because we're in the middle of working on the upgrades for both Neo HD/4K (Win) and Prospect HD/4K. Downloads page: http://www.cineform.com/downloads.aspx

February 13th, 2009, 06:32 PM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	If something is happening in your larger files you may need to put a sample on a DVD mail it to support. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 13th, 2009, 10:45 PM	#11
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Weird, it not your OS CPU or RAM config, we of course have tested on all typical OS combinations, even works on my home XP 64 system (it is new and being finicky with some other apps.) There is likely some other component on your system that is interfering or one of ours not installed correctly. We are all back Tuesday (Monday is Presidents day,) so you have to weekend to come up with any ideas, like ffdshow, Halii media splitter, or something else that could be getting in the way, then please contact support. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 13th, 2009, 11:03 PM	#12
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Some things to try. Convert other AVCHD or HDV sources, to you have the same issue? If you do that suggests a CineForm install issue as those core features have changed very little. Try installing NEO HD and converting the same sources, if that works, uninstall NEO HD and reinstall Neo Scene (it might now work) -- this will help determine if there is a component missing from the Neo Scene install. The 5D support is the main new feature, so if that is all that is failing, try sources with and without audio, many of the changes for 5D support were in the audio handling. Some ideas. If you can point out a more accurate failure point, I can look into it over the long weekend. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 13th, 2009, 11:42 PM	#14
Andy Urtusuastegui Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Foothill Ranch, CA Posts: 166	Explorer Crashing NeoScene 1.1(108) I have the same problem as Ryan, but I have existing AVI files converted from NeoScene 1.04 If I browse to the file and click on it, Explorer crashes. Happens every time. Happens instantly, too.... I simply single-click on the AVI to select it, explorer crashes. Also, if I just open a explorer window with the cineform files in it, the explorer windows crashes after a few seconds. I also followed Tim Bucklin;s instructions. Still crashes explorer. If I uninstall NeoScene 1.1, reinstalled NeoScene 1.04, all is ok. Computer is WinXP SP3 32-bit machine. 2GB RAM, CS3 If I browse to the file and click on it, Explorer crashes. Happens every time. Happens instantly, too.... I simply single-click on the AVI to select it, and bam, explorer crashes.

February 13th, 2009, 05:16 PM	#2
Ryan Thom New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 11	Just downloaded the new NeoScene windows trial and I'm getting a weird error: after the conversion is done, if I try to select the new .AVI file, Explorer crashes! This is on a WinXP SP3 32-bit machine. I installed the trial, then: 1) clicked Convert tab. 2) added file (a 5Dmk2 .MOV file that was on my harddrive) 3) unchecked "Split Scenes" 4) hit Start First time program crashed, with nothing in the log. I also had a previous CineForm trial installed (NeoHD I think?) so I uninstalled that and NeoScene, then re-installed Neo Scene. This time it completed, producing the AVI. However, if I browse to the file and click on it, Explorer crashes. Happens every time. Happens instantly, too.... I simply single-click on the AVI to select it, and bam, explorer crashes. Any thoughts? EDIT: Event Viewer doesn't show anything too useful. Every time it crashes there's an Information record from source "Winlogin": "The shell stopped unexpectedly and Explorer.exe was restarted."

February 13th, 2009, 05:32 PM	#3
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Thanks Ryan - we'll look at it....

February 13th, 2009, 10:12 PM	#8
Rich Castro Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 26	It doesnt seem to work for me either. After selecting a clip I click on start and it shows "coverting..." but nothing happens. I've tested it on small and large files but it will not complete. The log simply shows "...capture/convert application started." Any ideas? System: Vista64 Q6600 8GB Ram

February 13th, 2009, 11:27 PM	#13
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	David, As one of those who said they'd happily buy NeoScene if it supported the 5D mk II, I'm chomping at the bit to try it. That said, I've not seen many (any?) reports where the user says it's working trouble-free for them. If I download the trial and it doesn't work for me, due to some bugs, will I ever be able to download another Trial version at some point in the future (after the initial trial period has expired) to see if the bug fixes worked? If not, I guess I'll have to delay trying the Trial software until other brave souls have been the guinnea pigs and found all the kinks! Some of the errors reported above were exactly the errors I was getting when running HDLink from the NeoHD trial (conversions stopping at random times, zero-byte files being created, no audio, and the page file growing with each conversion until it crashed Windows). If I get the same, or different errors again with NeoScene and my Trial expires, how will I know that they've been fixed if I can't ever run the Trials again? Also, will the Cineform converted 5D mk II files play in real time from the Timeline in Premier Pro CS3? Thanks for your help, Julian

February 13th, 2009, 11:53 PM	#15
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Try control+alt+delete to bring up the task manager tile. Windows media player might be invisibly hung in the background. It draws very little if any CPU but seems to paralyse my system if it has hung like that. My computer is a no-name home assembled non-certified crossbreed PC so this could be entirely unrelated.