CS4 and Cineform, some dumb questions at DVinfo.net

Alex Donkle · February 8th, 2009, 05:28 AM

I've got 4k Red footage, a modest PC dual core laptop, Prospect 4k, and CS4. Trying to find the best workflow on it and codecs aren't an area I grasp too easily. If I'm making any assumptions I shouldn't be, please let me know.

At the moment, I'm looking at using R2CF to convert the files to 1K Express so my laptop can handle to footage. Edit in Premiere CS4, then where I get confused is what I can output to after I edit. Since this uses the original R3d, does that mean I can get a r3d output to take through RedCine? (Guess, I really don't know)

Or if someone has a difference suggestion I'd be open to it. I basically need to do low-rez editing, but would like to be able to still go back to the r3d to adjust cropping, color, ect... from the original 4k if I need to after the edit. Possible?

Thanks,
Alex

Stephen Armour · February 8th, 2009, 06:13 AM

Cineform doesn't have it's software ready for CS4 yet. You've might have a few weeks to wait.

David Newman · February 8th, 2009, 10:19 AM

The R3D batch conversion scripts that generated CineForm Express files can also generate your online files from R3D. While you can go back to R3D files, there are advantages to sticking with the CineForm workflow (faster, more flexible, more quality controls, etc.) I expect the CS4 importer to be out in public beta this week.

Marty Hudzik · February 10th, 2009, 08:52 PM

Well as long as we are asking dumb questions ( I'm kidding of course) I am curious if the filters and transitions are going to be functional anytime soon in CS4. I have a project that I just have to do in CS4 that is in a strange aspect ratio. There are a few features that I can utilize that are not available in CS3. While I am okay for now with no CIneform support I am wondering if the initial beta will incude the plugins even if there is no acceleration? I use the Cinefrom effects and filters often in non Cineform projects all the time, even without acceleration.

I really only need one for now (horizontal wipe) that I use often because it has some nice soft edges. The Premiere wipes are all so defined and un-natural. If Prospect will not be bringing the plugins over in the initial release, I need to know if anyone knows of some options that would allow me to get a more natural, soft wipe for my upcoming project.

Thanks!

Marty Hudzik · February 11th, 2009, 10:12 AM

Well CS4 Production Suite is in my grubby little hands! But I am scared to death to actually install it now! What if it screws up my system? Also, while I am all for saving trees, I do miss the thick manuals for each product that used to come with these suites. This thing is barebones for sure!

Alex Donkle · February 14th, 2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Marty Hudzik

Well as long as we are asking dumb questions ( I'm kidding of course) I am curious if the filters and transitions are going to be functional anytime soon in CS4. I have a project that I just have to do in CS4 that is in a strange aspect ratio. There are a few features that I can utilize that are not available in CS3. While I am okay for now with no CIneform support I am wondering if the initial beta will incude the plugins even if there is no acceleration? I use the Cinefrom effects and filters often in non Cineform projects all the time, even without acceleration.

I really only need one for now (horizontal wipe) that I use often because it has some nice soft edges. The Premiere wipes are all so defined and un-natural. If Prospect will not be bringing the plugins over in the initial release, I need to know if anyone knows of some options that would allow me to get a more natural, soft wipe for my upcoming project.

Thanks!

No clue if the plugins would work, but if you might be able to use Premiere's wipe for a rough cut, then export the just frames involved in a wipe to another program in high rez form, render a better wipe, then replace the footage.

February 8th, 2009, 05:28 AM	#1
Alex Donkle Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 38	CS4 and Cineform, some dumb questions I've got 4k Red footage, a modest PC dual core laptop, Prospect 4k, and CS4. Trying to find the best workflow on it and codecs aren't an area I grasp too easily. If I'm making any assumptions I shouldn't be, please let me know. At the moment, I'm looking at using R2CF to convert the files to 1K Express so my laptop can handle to footage. Edit in Premiere CS4, then where I get confused is what I can output to after I edit. Since this uses the original R3d, does that mean I can get a r3d output to take through RedCine? (Guess, I really don't know) Or if someone has a difference suggestion I'd be open to it. I basically need to do low-rez editing, but would like to be able to still go back to the r3d to adjust cropping, color, ect... from the original 4k if I need to after the edit. Possible? Thanks, Alex

February 8th, 2009, 06:13 AM	#2
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	Cineform doesn't have it's software ready for CS4 yet. You've might have a few weeks to wait. __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

February 8th, 2009, 10:19 AM	#3
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	The R3D batch conversion scripts that generated CineForm Express files can also generate your online files from R3D. While you can go back to R3D files, there are advantages to sticking with the CineForm workflow (faster, more flexible, more quality controls, etc.) I expect the CS4 importer to be out in public beta this week. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 10th, 2009, 08:52 PM	#4
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Well as long as we are asking dumb questions ( I'm kidding of course) I am curious if the filters and transitions are going to be functional anytime soon in CS4. I have a project that I just have to do in CS4 that is in a strange aspect ratio. There are a few features that I can utilize that are not available in CS3. While I am okay for now with no CIneform support I am wondering if the initial beta will incude the plugins even if there is no acceleration? I use the Cinefrom effects and filters often in non Cineform projects all the time, even without acceleration. I really only need one for now (horizontal wipe) that I use often because it has some nice soft edges. The Premiere wipes are all so defined and un-natural. If Prospect will not be bringing the plugins over in the initial release, I need to know if anyone knows of some options that would allow me to get a more natural, soft wipe for my upcoming project. Thanks!

February 11th, 2009, 10:12 AM	#5
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Well CS4 Production Suite is in my grubby little hands! But I am scared to death to actually install it now! What if it screws up my system? Also, while I am all for saving trees, I do miss the thick manuals for each product that used to come with these suites. This thing is barebones for sure!